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Toronto, ON, Canada, — China spent some 20 years, from 1950 till 1971, confronting the United States. It fought the Korean War, which killed some 29,000 Americans, and Taiwan remains a flashpoint between the two countries, with China refusing to accept its sovereignty and independence and trying to reclaim it for the past six decades.

Also, from 1959 to 1990, China remained at loggerheads with the former Soviet Union, coming close to a nuclear war in 1969 over border issues. In between, it picked enmity with India and Vietnam.

Chinese rapprochement with the United States in 1971 was based on encircling the Soviets. But in the last ten years the strategic map of the world has changed. China is no longer at loggerheads with either the United States or the Russians. It is searching for a new enemy.

Unfortunately, India appears to be on the radar, and China has begun making passes at it. The two fought a brief border war in 1962, but that animosity appeared to dwindle to the point that former reformist leader Deng Xiaoping was prepared to shake hands with India. Still, he wanted no role for India in world affairs. This remained true until 1998, when India tested its nuclear bomb. Since then China has viewed India with suspicion.

Between 2001 and 2002, India settled all Cold War-related outstanding issues with the United States and began surging ahead economically. China found this hard to accept.

By 2006, India’s economy was growing at 9 percent and its domestic economy seemed to be doing better than China’s. The Chinese economy appeared larger, but because it exported 50 percent of its gross domestic product, little was left for internal consumption except that it had a spanking clean look due to foreign direct investment.

China’s exports created plenty of cash, but this was deposited in banks in the West, which the Chinese cannot use. Its spanking new look is only on the eastern seaboard, while the rest of the 870 million people live a more rustic life. Chinese statistics are deceptive. At US$2,000 per capita GDP, it still remains a developing nation.

Today, Russia is no longer China’s mortal enemy. It became economically weak after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Suddenly, the Chinese found themselves with a 3 million-strong military and no enemy in sight. Now it is looking to create one, preferably in its neighborhood – and India fits the bill.

India’s economy is smaller than China’s but it has more intellectual capability. It exports fewer material goods but is a major power in information technology, business process outsourcing and knowledge process outsourcing industries. China believes it can intimidate India, as its armed forces are less than half China’s.

There is a caveat to the above thought process, however. Geographically, India lies in the path of China’s vital oil supplies. So India could act at sea if China were to act in the Himalayas. This has lead China to conclude that India has to be dominated both in the Himalayas and at sea.

A dormant border dispute, which had not flared up in 50 years, has been re-ignited since the Chinese began a huge military buildup in Tibet, seen as the jumping ground for an invasion of India. If needed, China’s all-weather friend Pakistan could lend a hand.

If China is to repeat its 1962 war performance against India, a huge military buildup in Tibet and in the Indian Ocean is required, which it is undertaking now. But there are more negatives to the Chinese scenario than positives.

India is not what it was in 1962, as its military and navy are 10 times more capable now. Moreover, the United States is not keen on supporting any Chinese military adventurism. It views China’s military buildup in the last ten years with concern.

Aware of a possible swift Chinese action, India is building its own nuclear-capable missiles, submarines and military. Although China’s infrastructure gives it an edge in Tibet, Indian military hardware is technically superior compared to reverse-engineered Chinese military hardware built around stolen technology.

The Chinese will have to face major mountain ranges if they cross into India. These mountain ranges run for 150 miles and are as high as 19,000 to 24,000 feet, with deep valleys in between. Clearly this is to China’s disadvantage, as the terrain is not flat like the Tibetan plateau.

These mountains are impassable except for passes like Sela and Bomdila, at 14,000 feet and 8,000 feet, in India’s northeast Arunachal Pradesh state. The mountains are also India’s major supply problem. India can lure the Chinese into a trap and destroy them if it controls the high ground.

Still the Chinese are confident that they can bypass the Indians at Sela like they did in 1962. This is impossible now, say India’s military experts. The Tibet-Bhutan-Arunachal junction that was the Chinese route for the 1962 invasion of India is now closely monitored. Modern technologies permit India to observe Chinese movements day and night.

A border incident that occurred 20 years ago in this area speaks of high Indian preparedness. A haughty Chinese general ordered a border incursion in 1986 near the Bhutan-India-China junction. The Chinese intruded in large numbers in the strategic Sumdorong Chu river area, as it connects by a pathway to Tawang, the border Indian town that China claims as its own.

When diplomacy failed, India airlifted a full mountain brigade in battle-ready condition to the area in the middle of winter. China quickly relented and withdrew. The matter continued to simmer for a while, and although China rushed in 20,000 troops, its surprise and initiative were gone. In short, India demonstrated its willingness to fight should China insist.

Surprisingly, China is in a better position in Ladakh’s Aksai Chin plateau, which they have occupied since 1955. India’s supply line to Aksai Chin passes through a long and cumbersome route via the troubled Kashmir region. It is an 800-mile mountainous journey.

An alternate link is being built via the Rohtang Pass in India’s Himachal Pradesh state, but it only cuts 400 miles off the treacherous mountain journey. The other option is to supply troops by air; four advanced landing strips have been activated in the area.

There is one weakness on the Chinese side. The Aksai Chin plateau road network connects Tibet to China’s Xinjiang province. This road infrastructure is an asset to Chinese troops in Tibet, as they can resupply from Xinjiang. But the long-ignored Uighurs in Xinjiang are now up in arms with the Chinese authorities, putting the supply route at risk. Even minor support to their cause from India could cut China’s lifeline and advantage. But until that happens, India has to defend its lofty mountainous heights.

In search of an enemy, China may have found the wrong one in India. China’s stellar performance in the 1962 war against India cannot be repeated today. It also risks losing its oil supply line via the Indian Ocean, which would play havoc with its economy.

China should work on its policy toward India before it makes a blunder. It would be a better proposition for China to call off the military propaganda it has unleashed and revert back to normalcy. Forging strong trade ties would lead to greater progress and benefit to both sides.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)



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CSIS-I @ October 24, 2009 05:56PM HKT
India is ready to fight China. Come, test us.

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Coolhead @ October 22, 2009 12:40AM HKT
The fact about the India China War is that India wanted to bully China. Please read Neville Maxwell's book 'India's China War' and also check out this link: gregoryclark.net /redif.html

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Coolhead @ October 22, 2009 12:40AM HKT
The fact about the India China is that India wanted to bully China. Please read Neville Maxwell's book 'India's China War' and also check out this link: gregoryclark.net /redif.html

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Louis_ @ October 18, 2009 03:02PM HKT
Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru said: “India can not play a second-class role in the world, either being a large country of attention, or disappeared."

India has been self-inflating too much.I have met lots of Indians, and I assure you,unless somethings have been done to the country, it will disappear but never never a world class one. Unless it is ruled again by outsiders, but then strong India will not be that India again.

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jimmy @ October 16, 2009 01:43AM HKT
Indians still like to do what they like to do the best: obsession about their inherited “colonial glory”, bullying weak neighbors, playing dogs to world ’super’ powers.

Chinese are all serious about their territory claim, yet trying to be reasonable to create a win-win situation.

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jimmy @ October 15, 2009 08:45AM HKT
slope is really a cover of Hari Sud. LoL ...

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jimmy @ October 15, 2009 07:38AM HKT
Commentary from XinHua News (3)

"Regrettably, after India’s independence, its foreign policy has adhered to the so-called “seeking alliance with world powers afar and attacking neighbors” doctrine. It had several wars and outstanding grudges with two big neighbors China and Pakistan. If India wants to be a world power, this strategy is in no doubt short-sighted and immature. India’s own development will suffer if it keeps making hostile neighbors. Because of such reason, India has “not been able to play a constructive role in the world, considering its size and population.”

Today, we face a completely new world. In order for India to become a “great power of attention”, India has to start from its surroundings, and shouldn’t allow itself to show even a little reckless and arrogant. Improving relations with China, Pakistan and other neighboring countries is a required step for India’s road to a world power. At present, China actively promotes a negotiated peaceful settlement of the Sino-Indian border dispute, India should respond positively and use this as an opportunity to improve its relations with the surrounding countries. We look forward to India in this regard to show the world it can think deeper and look further.”

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jimmy @ October 15, 2009 07:37AM HKT
Commentary from XinHua News (2)

"India’s pursuit of “big power dream” is nothing wrong, but Indians’ big power dream overall is far too impatient and impetuous, and also from time to time mixed with hegemonic thinking. Such attitude only caused repeated ridicules and embarrassment to India in the world. Hegemony thinking is harmful to India itself as well as others."

Throughout of India’s history, India was often ruled by outsiders, Such lack of “self-governance” experience dictates a need by India to learn how to be an independent power during India’s emergence. India also needs put more thinking to solve its extremely complex internal ethnic and religious integration. Don’t just keep get terrorist attacks that lead to social disharmony. As its economy developed, put more thinking to solve national poverty among a large number of its population."

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jimmy @ October 15, 2009 07:36AM HKT
Commentary from XinHua News (1)

“Hegemonic mentality is harmful to India

India is a big country, no one can deny that. But the Indians always seem to fear that other people overlooked this point. In recent years, India’s nationalist sentiments grow with its economic strength correspondingly…

Tracing the source, India’s hegemonic mentality is truly a “colonial legacy.” During British India period, its boundaries were broad, including the present India, Pakistan, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal and other countries and regions. After the British withdrawal from the subcontinent, India take for granted that it can inherit this legacy. As a result, a victim of a past hegemony began to start their hegemony dreams. Constrained by such thinking, during Sino-Indian border talks, India insists not to respond to the Chinese side’s concessions. It also holds a strong bully mentality towards Pakistan and other neighboring countries."

Many Indians remember their founding Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru said: “India can not play a second-class role in the world, either being a large country of attention, or disappeared."

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Coolhead @ October 15, 2009 02:59AM HKT
Keith, India is in the list too. Not much difference.

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Keith @ October 14, 2009 05:40PM HKT
China's numbers in Patent Filing:

Just taking up from what was motioned below as China's role in "innovation". Lets talk about its role in copyright infringement, piracy, copying designs etc:

Each April, the US Govt releases the Special 301 Report, which examines the intellectual property laws of its main trading partners. No surprises for guessing which country leads the pack in illegal copy right infringement.... China Ofcourse!!

www ustr gov/sites/default/files/Priority%20Watch%20List pdf (put a . inplace of spaces)

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Louis_ @ October 12, 2009 09:19PM HKT
India should not fear China. It should fear it own self for not progressing. The world do not wait for India to progress together.

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DM @ October 12, 2009 12:39AM HKT
guys this website is chinese propaganda..best way is to ignore this site...it will die its natural death..

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Coolhead @ October 11, 2009 11:43AM HKT

newsweek.com /id/217088/page/1

These warnings completely misread China's intent. While India worries about the larger army and wealth of China, China worries about the larger military and economy of the United States. In Asia, its stated aim is to follow a "peaceful rise" that benefits all its neighbors, India included, and there's little reason to doubt this goal. Beijing is an insecure power, not an aggressive one, because of the real threat of social and economic unrest at home. China's growing naval presence in the Indian Ocean reflects a legitimate interest in protecting the sea lanes upon which Beijing depends for its supply of oil and natural resources from Africa and the Middle East. The border movements should be seen in the same light: it's not about an external threat from India per se, but India's relationship to the internal threat from Tibet.
M. Taylor Fravel, an MIT expert on the India-China border dispute, says many of the troops deployed in Tibet are internal-security forces, lacking heavy armor or artillery, representing less of a threat to India than Indian hawks believe.


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Coolhead @ October 11, 2009 11:42AM HKT
Indian national-security adviser M. K. Narayanan warned that the beating of war drums might become a self-fulfilling prophecy, leading to "an unwarranted incident or accident" with China. This is now an issue that should be handled at the highest levels—not left to hotheads—on all sides.

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Coolhead @ October 10, 2009 12:33PM HKT

slope: I don't blame you for the way you talk, but please don't miss school tomorrow, because India's literacy rate is only about 70%. Oh, yeah, more than half of the Indian satellites are probably dead too. Certainly no other countries can say anything about Indian satellites because no one buys Indian satellites. India cannot even complete their own fighter jets, let alone the engine.

Don't you know that Indians also steal? Like I said, don't miss school, boy.
usatoday.com /news/washington/2004-09-20-spying_x.htm
The Federal Bureau of Investigation regularly updates a closely held list of the countries that threaten national security due to espionage operations. "The top five countries on that list are China, Israel, Russia, France, and North Korea. Others include Cuba, Pakistan, and INDIA," says an official close to the FBI.
The latest unclassified information — a 2000 report prepared for Congress by the National Counterintelligence Center — lists the "most active collectors" against the U.S. as China, Japan, Israel, France, Korea, Taiwan, and INDIA.

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slope @ October 10, 2009 09:41AM HKT
China Tech Theft Effort Under Attack (china's tech brains good at stealing)
October 8, 2009: In the United States, the FBI arrested three Chinese citizens (Zhen Zhou Wu, Yufeng Wei and Bo Li) for trying to illegally export American electronic components that can be used in missiles, warplanes and space vehicles. The three are also accused of money laundering. Around the same time, in another incident, a Chinese scientist (Hong Meng ) working for Dupont, was accused of stealing technology for OLED flat screen displays, to use for perfecting similar technology being developed in China.
These incidents are just additional examples of China trying to steal foreign technology. The Chinese have been doing this in Japan and Europe as well, for decades. Russia got so fed up with this that they forced (via threats of litigation and economic pressure) the Chinese to sign a treaty, in which China agreed to stop the technology theft. This may slow the Chinese down, but it won't stop them.
strategypage.co m/htmw/htintel/20091008.aspx

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slope @ October 10, 2009 05:01AM HKT
china's own engines for JF 17 and 11 are far from becoming a reality after so many setbacks and delays, so recently it ordered 100 RD-93 engines in addition to previous 500 from Russia. you mentioned the number of satellites in your previous post. man! you must be drugged up on opium like your ancestors. half of them are already dead. you want verification? check with African countries and Pakistan, they will tell your their experience with china made satellites, and finally! even the consumer product china makes is nothing more than junk. living in Canada/USA, you should know much better about this dollar store crap.

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slope @ October 10, 2009 05:01AM HKT
coolhead/slopehead you can brag the sh!t outta your head but there are few things going to happen soon. After the demise of soviets, the west sees Cina as a big threat and has decided to prop up India just the way Nixon/Kissinger started propping up your China. you did not achieve this little prosperity on your own. The Indians are innovative and I can put a list of those innovations vis a vis you copycator chinese, who have no brains to develop any idea on its own. West sees it as an urgent need to turn India at par with china in less than twenty years. Nostradamus predicted the fall of china and its islamic allies in 21st century, where #1 USA/allies will be the winners. I am not believer of the predictions but looking at current situation, it appears that Nostradamus is predicting right. mother of all terrorisms, "the china" will pay a heavy price for proliferating and arming the terrorist countries. Chang'e 1 (china's tech prowess) is a failure. it never posted 2nd picture but the 1st one was also a product of photoshop. contd.... above

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Coolhead @ October 9, 2009 12:24PM HKT

Yet another example of how China's GDP is used for internal consumption. A British reporter's point of view after living in India for 4 years. Note that all the infrastructures in China are built using their own money, not foreign direct investment.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk /news/peterfoster/4841208/Can_India_ever_catch_up_with_China/

How can India compete with China?

I hope I can say this without offending the residents of the city where my three children were born and I had so much fun and friendship, but Beijing is a city on an entirely different level to New Delhi.

From the gleaming new airport terminal to the wide-open three-lane highways which sweep through a city of fantastical glass sky-scrapers and clean streets filled with modern shops and authentic restaurants of all kinds the contrast for someone arriving from New Delhi is actually pretty humbling.
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Whether it’s building power stations – look at Mumbai’s travails this summer, with some industries only having power four days a week – or roads, the main road connecting Delhi with its airport looks like it was made by a child compared to Beijing’s superhighways, India comes up way short of China time and again.

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Coolhead @ October 9, 2009 11:54AM HKT

Another example of China's "little" internal consumption to build their infrastructure (using their own investment, not foreign direct investment) according to Indian news media.

business.rediff.com /special/2009/jul/16/spec-indian-rails-just-a-snail.htm

India's current fastest, the Rajdhani and the Shatabdi expresses, whose average speed is no more than 80 km per hour... Look at China. After six reviews and continuous upgrading, the average speed on the Chinese railways has shot up to 200 km per hour from 55 km per hour in 1997. There will be 35 high-speed routes by 2012, with trains running at between 200 km and 350 km per hour. At least 50,000 km of dedicated high-speed passenger railways will be on the ground by 2020. Thus, existing tracks will be freed up for cargo trains, whose average speed is already 120 km per hour.

The difference between the two countries is even more glaring when it comes to new construction. Mamata Banerjee's budget provides for only 250 km of new lines in the current fiscal year. The provisions for the previous two years were for 350 km and 155 km of new lines, respectively... our route length has grown from 62,367 km in 1990 to only about 63,350 km now. Do you call that progress?

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Coolhead @ October 9, 2009 11:53AM HKT

In China, on the other hand, over 2,500 km of new lines were built in 2008 and another 3,450 km will be built in 2009. The new goal is to add 6,000 km of new tracks every year till 2020. China's network currently stands at 80,750 km, making it the third-largest in the world after the US and Russia. By 2020, it will have hit 120,000 km, of which 50 per cent will be double-tracked and 60 per cent electrified. What will India have by then?

Network expansion has naturally meant more business for the Chinese railways. They have three times the number of wagons India has - 600,000 against 200,000 - and moved 3.3 billion tonnes of cargo last year, against India's 833 million tonnes. What is India's target for 2009-10? No more than 882 million tonnes. For a vast and growing economy like India's, it's nothing but a joke.

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Coolhead @ October 9, 2009 11:52AM HKT
The other difference is that the Chinese know the value of time. We don't. Beijing's 126-acre West station, commissioned in 1996 and said to be the largest in Asia, was built in three years. Work on the 1,318-km. Beijing-to-Shanghai high-speed railway, a brand new line meant to cut travel time between the two cities from 14 hours to five - mark that - began in April 2008 and is to be completed by 2013. What's our schedule, say, for making 50 of our stations 'world class'? We don't know.

Thus, while China goes on to cover the entire country with high-speed trains to bolster its economic growth, we are happy to tinker with whatever we have, much like a child playing with his toy-train set,

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Coolhead @ October 9, 2009 02:49AM HKT

"Chinese statistics are deceptive. At US$2,000 per capita GDP, it still remains a developing nation." "The Chinese economy appeared larger, but because it exported 50 percent of its gross domestic product, little was left for internal consumption except that it had a spanking clean look due to foreign direct investment."

Hari, do you always get numbers way wrong on purpose, or just ignorance? According to CIA world factbook:

China's GDP per capita - $3,313 (nominal 2008), $6,000 (PPP)
India's GDP per capita - $1,063 (nominal 2008), $2,900 (PPP) (estimate)

China's total GDP $4.402 trillion (2008), $7.973 trillion (PPP)
China's export: $1.435 trillion
China's import: $1.074 trillion8
China's net export is $0.361 trillion, which is only 8.2% of its nominal GDP and only 4.5% of its PPP GDP.


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jimmy @ October 8, 2009 01:09PM HKT
Indian hotheads like to brag about “superior” IAF. You may look at details here to find answer yourself.

follow this link search wiki.answer.com "Indian_air_force_vs_PLAAF"

The two forces are fairly even matched after the IAF (India air force) brought Sukhoi Su-30MKI which is suppose to be better than the Chinese Sukhoi Su-30MKK. However the latest report from China is that the indigenous built J-11 surpasses the Sukhoi Su-30MKK and maybe (not sure) the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. So we have to look at the numbers

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Coolhead @ October 8, 2009 11:39AM HKT

ndtv.com /news/india/china_vs_india_military_might.php

China vs India: Military might
NDTV Correspondent, Thursday October 1, 2009, New Delhi

China's military parade on the 60th anniversary of the Communist Party taking over was designed, right down the smallest detail, to prove the country's super-power status.
The world's other declared rising super-power watched the parade closely. And India's calculations reflected this.

India has over 13.25 lakh active military personnel compared with China's 22.55 lakh troops.

China's Air Force has 9,000 aircrafts with 2000 fighter planes. The Indian Air Force has 3,000 airplanes with 790 fighter planes.

China's combat power is guaranteed through its fleet of Russian Sukohi-30 MKK and indigenously built J-10 fighters.

The Indian Air Force, on the other hand, has French built-Dassault Mirage 2000s and Russian Sukohi-30 MKI as the best aircrafts in its combat fleet. No indigenous fighters or aircrafts have been deployed by India so far.

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Coolhead @ October 8, 2009 11:39AM HKT

The Indian Navy is the world's eighth largest navy with a with a fleet of 145 vessels consisting of missile-capable warships, advanced submarines, the latest naval aircrafts, and an aircraft carrier in its inventory. It is experienced both in combat and rescue operations during wartime and peace, as seen from its wars with Pakistan in 1971, and the Tsunami that struck in December 2004.

In comparison, China's Navy with its fleet of 284 vessels is quantitatively larger but lacking in actual war experience, which could undermine its strategic capability. China currently has no aircraft carriers in its naval fleet but is slated to build and induct an aircraft carrier by 2010.

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Coolhead @ October 8, 2009 11:38AM HKT

In strategic nuclear defence and delivery systems, China's army is miles ahead of India's nuclear forces with 200-400 active nuclear warheads. In comparison, India's strategic nuclear force is estimated to have stockpiled about 50-70 nuclear warheads.

The most powerful warhead tested by India had an yield of 0.05 megatons which is quite small compared to China's highest yield of 4 megatons. India's nuclear delivery system consists of bombers, supersonic cruise missiles and medium range ballistic missiles. Agni 2,

India's longest range deployed ballistic missile is capable of a range of 2500 km, carrying a single nuclear warhead of about 1000 kg. In stark contrast, China's nuclear delivery system is far more capable with multiple warheads.

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DM @ October 6, 2009 06:27PM HKT
set the minds of the ordinary chinese free and see where their world goes! history says democracy will prevail...the biggest weapon India has is democracy..which china does not have. the groups coolhead mentioned are bandits only...they dont have the common man's support..

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slope @ October 6, 2009 09:21AM HKT
Coolhead: slope: in case you don't know, China already completed space walk; coolhead or a slope head. what proof do you have? it is same as you said that americans never landed on the moon. I notice you china men are sure perfecting in photoshop/videography.
that is a bull crap that china men had a space walk!

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HariSud @ October 6, 2009 07:33AM HKT

You guys are off the discussion, again.

Either hold your views in check or close the discussion.

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Coolhead @ October 6, 2009 04:12AM HKT

DM:
India has even more ethnic problems. For example, have you heard of the following organizations in India? If not, google it and learn something.

1. United Liberation Front of Asom
2. Assam conflict
3. National Liberation Front of Tripura
4. National Socialist Council of Nagaland


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DM @ October 6, 2009 12:38AM HKT
China will eventually crumble..too many ethnic people....just wait and watch...cannot control human beings...it will eventually be a democratic country.

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Coolhead @ October 5, 2009 11:53AM HKT
slope: China's software piracy rate is 82%, India's is 69%. Not that much difference to me.
nationmaster.com /graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate

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Coolhead @ October 5, 2009 11:24AM HKT
slope: in case you don't know, only Russia, the United States and China have demonstrated the ability to eliminate satellites.

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Coolhead @ October 5, 2009 11:14AM HKT
slope: as of this month, China has 80 active satellite payloads in orbit while India has only 44 payloads.
celestrak.com /satcat/boxscore.asp

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Coolhead @ October 5, 2009 06:04AM HKT
slope: in case you don't know, China already completed space walk; while India cannot send a human being into space.

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Coolhead @ October 5, 2009 05:12AM HKT
slope - you are full of sour grapes, making groundless claims without supporting evidence.

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slope @ October 5, 2009 12:21AM HKT
coolhead: patents mean bull crap you can make small changes on an existing mechanism and claim a new patent number. china is famous for piracy and outside american jurisdiction for any infringement. getting patent number is no big deal as long you pay for it. 80% of the patents just collect dust and the intended products never come to the market. speaking about your china, half of its satellites are dead space junk. africa and pakistan will tell you their experience. japan and india found the spots where apollo landed and for china by all means apollo never made it to the moon, because chang'e 1 was a failure. why should it take more than two years for china to develop the "high resolution pictures" to be posted for public view. should we assume that china needs help in picture developing? what happened to your fastest CPU claimed by china few years ago? world is still waiting. check this out: english.pravda.ru/photo/report/chinese_car-1726

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Jatt @ October 4, 2009 04:46PM HKT
Tiawan is modern industrialised nation state with a $400 billion dollar real nominal economy, backed up understanding with US navy. A nation of 25 million prosperous citizens with a bigger defense budget that Pakistan

Pakistan is medieval empire with a thin layer of north korean style industrial capacity. It is empire of almost 200 million to even generating $100 dollar real nominal economy.

Who is the more formidable foe?

PS Tiawan had nuke program in 70's which it gave up (it was comparable to India's)

Have been watching the news? ASEAN, Japan & China are moving towards asian union not hostility........India will be left out in cold with SAARC

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DEVINDRA @ October 4, 2009 03:50PM HKT
Jatt as an alumunus of the War College, Russia(old USSR)I am amused.By the way I am a columnist here.Do have a look. India as the author has correctly perceived has no bone to pick with China.The game changers in India's armoury has made the political heads of China think.Why was Mr Jiang Zeming present at the parade besides the ceremonial aspects? I feel a re-emphasis of one China two systems is being focused on again, perhaps upto 2050.The PLA is not capable of crossing the 110 mile ditch to Taiwan without significant losses.This loss of face will affect the communist party vis a vis the people and could result in loss of political control.PLAN is facing increasingly capable ASEAN nations in South China sea with their 'sea denial' strategies.They are being assisted by European countries.Control of EEZ in East China sea & South China sea is vital to all littoral states as energy demands are increasing and deep sea drilling is revealing major deposits of oil& gas.The 21st century is going to be interesting in this area.

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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 01:59PM HKT
thehindubusinessline.com /2009/10/01/stories/2009100150761700.htm
(remove the space after ".com")

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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 01:33PM HKT
slope:

Speaking of innovation, you are way off the mark. Read this Indian news article 3 days ago:
thehindubusinessline.com /2009/10/01/stories/2009100150761700.htm

*** China way ahead of India in patent filings ***

New Delhi, Sept. 30 - The Indian Patent Office ranks 9th in the number of patents filed and 12th in the number of patents granted, according to the World Intellectual Property Organisation’s (WIPO) latest data.

The total number of patents filed in India amounted to 28,940, according to the Geneva-based organisation’s recently released World Intellectual Property Indicators-2009 report.

This was behind the US (4,56,154), Japan (3,96,291), China (2,45,161), the Republic of Korea (1,72,469), European Patent Office (1,40,763), Germany (60,992), Canada (40,131) and the Russian Federation (39,439).

In terms of the number of patents granted, India (at 7,539) stood behind Japan (1,64,954), the US (1,57,283), the Republic of Korea (1,23,705), China (67,948), European Patent Office (54,699), the Russian Federation (23,028), Canada (18,550), Germany (17,739), France (12,112), Australia (11,236) and Mexico (9,957).

The WIPO-compiled data pertains to 2007.

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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 01:31PM HKT
What is significant about India, however, is not just its overall ranking, but also the fact that a majority of patents filed and granted by it was to non-residents (whether companies or individuals). Thus, of the 28,940 patents filed in the country, as many as 23,626 (82 per cent) were by non-residents. This was unlike China, where 1,53,060 out of the total 2,45,161 (62 per cent) patents filed originated from resident applicants.

Indeed, if one looks at purely resident patent filings, India’s ranking falls to 11th (5,314), behind Japan (3,33,498), the US (2,41,347), China (1,53,060), the Republic of Korea (1,28,701), Germany (47,853), the Russian Federation (27,505), the United Kingdom (17,375), France (14,722), Italy (9,255) and North Korea (6,922).

In terms of resident patent grants, India (at 1,907) stands at the 13th place, behind Japan (1,40,040), the Republic of Korea (91,645), the US (79,527), China (31,945), the Russian Federation (18,431), Germany (12,977), France (9,748), Italy (5,257), North Korea (4,235), Ukraine (2,505), Spain (2,325) and the UK (2,058).

The substantial increase in patent filings by China and the Republic of Korea is a major development of the last 10 years or so.

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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 01:30PM HKT
In fact, for the first time, a Chinese company – Huawei Technologies – topped the list of applicants to have filed patent applications through the Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) in 2008.

The Chinese telecom equipment major made 1,737 filings under the PCT, which is a WIPO-administered agreement (to which India is also a signatory) that enables patent protection for any invention simultaneously in a number of countries by filing a single ‘international application’ with a single patent office.

Huawei filed more PCT applications last year than Japan’s Panasonic Corporation (1,729), the Netherlands’ Philips (1,551), Japan’s Toyota (1,364), Germany’s Robert Bosch (1,273) and Siemens (1,089), Finland’s Nokia (1,005), Korea’s LG (992), Sweden’s Ericsson (984), Japan’s Fujitsu (983), Qualcomm of the US (907), Japan’s NEC (825) and Sharp (814), Microsoft (805) and Motorola (778) of the US, Sweden’s BASF (721), IMB (664) and 3M (663) of the US, Korea’s Samsung (639) and Dupont of the US (517).

Not a single Indian company features in this list.


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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 01:11PM HKT
slope,
You need to learn to talk like a civilized human being, unless you are hopeless. Some people even doubt that Apollo ever landed on Moon. change'e-1 was never lost and it actually lasted longer than its designed life expectancy. China has completed the world’s highest-resolution three-dimensional map of the moon based on data provided by Chang’e-1. The water on moon was actually detected by one of the two NASA (not Indian) instruments called the Moon Mineralogy Mapper(M3) instrument aboard Chandrayaan-1 craft. So it was not detected by Indian instrument at all. Actually India lost Chandrayaan-1:
NEW DELHI, Aug. 31 (UPI) -- India's unmanned moon mission was called off after space scientists lost radio contact with the Chandrayaan-I craft, the space agency said.

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slope @ October 4, 2009 12:19PM HKT
coolhead:

let me ask you one question. what happened to change'e 1. india, japan usa all posted tones of pictures, but china posted one picture. americans doubt that chang'e 1 ever made to the moon's orbit.

in fact you are just a dumass chinaman, who doesn't want to know India's ingenuity. chinaman is copy cator where indians are the innovators. hope you know this much diff.

India found the water on moon (verified by USA's moon mapper) and china just bit the dust with its lost chang'e 1

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Coolhead @ October 4, 2009 11:20AM HKT
Paranoid Indians. Frankly, China has bigger fish to fry - South China Sea and East China Sea with all the oil and natural gas. So don't worry too much. For those over-proud Indians, China has SUCCESSFULLY produced its own airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system, satellite navigation system (the Compass system), anti-satellite missile, AIP submarine, nuclear submarine, ICBM with range of 11,200+ km, fighter jets, tanks (type 99, top 3 in the world)... India can produce none of these.

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slope @ October 4, 2009 05:43AM HKT
India needs more aggressive policy and be on offensive. declare the "1st use nuclear policy" for both the Pakistinians and Commies. Any next war, India will have to fight them both. Both have nothing but dollar store version of weaponary.

I just have to meet one brave chinese who has the balls.

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HariSud @ October 4, 2009 04:48AM HKT

Guys, now you going off track. Wehrmacht or George Washington are not the point of this paper.

Back to the paper; India could not sue for peace even if it is nuked or in return it nukes its adversary. The public psyche has completely changed. Accepting the defeat is no longer in the public mind any more.

I do not believe public is ready to be ruled by the Chinese after suffering thru the British and Muslim for 900 years. They value their independence and will fight to keep it.

Cheers


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IsItCorrect @ October 4, 2009 04:40AM HKT
According to you, Hari Sud, Inida is more competent than US for the biggest "enemy" of China. Are you out of your mind? China exhibited DF31 to US in Oct 1st, not india. Using DF31 to hit "slumdogs"? Are you kidding me?

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Jatt @ October 4, 2009 12:58AM HKT
China Vs India

China will not accept defeat even if it lost half its population, 100's million dead

India will sue for peace after losing just a few thousand soldiers

Wars are not won with military technology. They are won by the side who can suffer the most damage & keep fighting

War of American Independence, George Washington lost more 20 battles before the tide turned against the british

USSR lost practically whole of armed forces + 20% population against Wehrmacht, BUT KEPT FIGHTING, it kept raising new armies, building new tanks & planes, & eventually outgunned & even outmatched germans on battlefield, fighting 1:1 ratio in 1944 and winning, as opposed to 7:1 in 1942 and still losing badly


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Jatt @ October 4, 2009 12:51AM HKT
DEVINDRA, Learn some history, the USSR was the greatest fighting force in the world. It won WW2. It defeated the Wehrmacht. 9 out 10 german soldiers that died in WW2 died on Russian soil.

If China is like the USSR then we are in trouble. Even USA was far too scared to fight a conventional war with USSR during cold war, & thats why USA maintained a first strike policy, while USSR was ready to let the tanks role.

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HariSud @ October 3, 2009 10:16PM HKT

Here is one of the reader wrote in an e-mail to the author:

Chinese leadership has insatiatble greed and ego. In the long run, you have to spend resources to statisfy them and hence their downfall is guaranteed. The numerous graves of empires past are a witness to this 'personality problem.' In our life time, we have witnessed several downfalls; British, French, Dutch, Russian and now the US is winding down. China seems to be ascending except that the whole world is ready and the former does not have a convincing military technology advantage that is clearly required for them to make the move successfully. They only have the capability of making a lot of consumer goods IF given the orders for them. Ambition to be a conquerer will only cancel the orders. You can't easily be a trader and a robber at the same time; ask any shopkeeper. Sooner than later it is China's turn for downturn unless they smarten up and play nice.

JS

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Sandy @ October 3, 2009 08:45PM HKT
'Power shift from West to East' Sri Lankan foreign official Palitha Kohona was overly enthusiastic.

One is a fun democracy. Singh is just installed at the helm for now. Elections there cannot do not contribute to any decisions on foreign policy. Media is corrupt. And on sale for consular sevices.
Other one is anti-people republic. Dilution of Xinjian was a long term plan.

Culture is to cash on in any circumstances.


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Louis_ @ October 3, 2009 03:43PM HKT
I think India have overestimated itself. India not even a good match for its neighbor Pakistan. So It is not even within the sight of China for any of such strategic views. It is all about the territorial dispute.

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DEVINDRA @ October 3, 2009 01:06PM HKT
Good marching by 8000 troopers on 01 oct!! lots of lipstick!China's weakness& serious flaws were all there to be seen by analysts.Reminded one of the parades in the USSR.China's enemy number one still remains TAIWAN, it is democracy which the communist politburo cannot stomach.Actually the parade was a huge non event as they hid more than they displayed.

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Sandy @ October 3, 2009 12:04PM HKT
t may be true that 'In search of an enemy, China may have found the wrong one in India.' But, the regional power rivalry has facilitated in making the Sri Lankan tamil minority sacrificial lambs to feed their billions. India is in no match to China in economical or military power. Not even close.
Sri Lanka, on the other hand, plays religion with one and trianglur game with the other.
India matches with China only in a)Collusion in ethnic cleansing. Land of Mahatma voted with China against the Sri Lankan war crime investigations at UNHRC. b) dashing in for development projects such as Mannar oil basin exploration, Trincomalee power generation project while people from the area evacuated and kept in camps for long. c) humanity is no hindrance for both in economic greed and bursting population.
Mockery content of failed Indian foreign policy needs an award.
Former Indian foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon, one of the architects of the grand scale catastrophe of the century, speaking on 'Maritime imperatives' said "China has no bases in the Indian Ocean.
Why would someone need an elevator to reach his toes?

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wang @ October 3, 2009 09:38AM HKT
If there is one war between china and india, it will be totally in chinese army's coctrol.
Despite the fact that india has made mass prograss in its military building, do not forget that chinese liberation army is modernizing too! From the parade, on 10-1,the 60th national day, the brand new equipments can make everyone in the world feel scared.
our army are bound to keep peace for our people. we feel peaceful now, for our army is more stronger!

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Jatt @ October 3, 2009 07:54AM HKT
India exports are roughly the same as czech republics (nation of 11 million) including IT exports. India is not in same league as China.

As for war, when china fights its ready to suffer hundred of thousands or even millions of dead (Just like European Great Powers)

India has little cat fights with Pakistan, where total dead from all 4 wars on both sides is less than 20,000 dead. Thats how many europeans used to die in one hour in the eastern front of WW2, or in one day in the Western Front in WW1








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