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China’s military advantage over India vanishing

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Toronto, ON, Canada, — The difference between China’s official words and actual deeds could lead to another conflict with India similar to the one in 1962.

First, China does not like India’s emerging status as a global power. Second, it is paranoid that if India completes its planned military purchases in the next five years, conquering and humiliating it would remain a distant dream. Third, China wants to grab the town of Tawang, birthplace of the current Dalai Lama, on the Indian side of the Tibet border. This is a symbolic Chinese ploy to let the Tibetans know who their real masters are.

China began a massive military exercise in mid-August called “Stride 2009,” deploying 50,000 troops in areas far from their home bases for live-fire drills. According to analysts, the exercise shows China’s readiness to respond quickly to unrest in any part of the country. It also demonstrates the effectiveness of China’s infrastructure, which allows the quick deployment of troops hundreds of miles away. The program culminates on Oct. 1, China’s 60th anniversary.

China maintains 30-40 divisions of reserve forces in its central provinces. But Tibet and the Indian border are outside this area of quick deployment, linked by a single rail line built on permafrost. While the exercise sheds lights on China’s reserve force, it is not India-specific yet. Still India, lately busy on the Pakistan border, may need to alter its defense posture.

China’s former leader Deng Xiaoping put the border dispute with India on the back burner in 1978. But he made an agreement with India that both countries would maintain a standstill in the Himalayas and avoid military build-up.

The promise held until 1998, when China began improving its military infrastructure in the Himalayas and building multiple missile bases. But it did not increase its ground forces, which stood at 200,000 soldiers.

India also kept its bargain and did not add a single soldier to its 30,000 in the east and 20,000 in the west. India even held off building new roads and improving infrastructure in its border areas. In hindsight that was a mistake.

Recently, China’s building of an intercontinental missile base at Delingha, north of Tibet, has set alarm bells ringing. Most of Russia and India are within its missile range, and being far from Taiwan keeps it sheltered from the U.S. gaze.

In the past 30 years India has held 13 high-level talks with China on the demarcation of the border, the last one in July this year. Each proved fruitless. China wants the Tawang tract and will not talk about vacating the Akash Chin plateau in Kashmir.

To make its point it has begun building more roads, missile bases and airfields in addition to its existing military infrastructure. It is also encouraging Nepal to enter into a free trade treaty, giving the Chinese an excuse to add more roads and possibly a rail link to bring them closer to India.

Tibet has become more restive in the past ten years. Last year’s pre-Olympic riots blew the lid off China’s tight security when its 200,000 force had to be split between law and order and border guard duties. While China marginally increased the force during the riots, India augmented its force only slightly. Now its military strength in Tibet is insufficient to conquer India or the Tawang tract, although border skirmishes remain a possibility.

India has its own evaluation of the China threat. A decision to engage China through diplomatic channels between 2001 and 2005 produced no results, so India decided to go for a military build-up. Eight mountain divisions trained to fight in the Himalayas will be augmented by two more, and an additional 60,000 ground troops will be sent to the east closer to Tawang and to the state of Sikkim. Also, some 20,000 additional troops will be added to the current strength in the west in Ladakh.

Three airfields lying derelict in the east and three in the west have been activated. A major airbase only 200 miles from the Tibetan border will be upgraded to serve India’s premier Sukhoi fighter. This airfield is a major threat to China’s rail link. India has also initiated other road-building activities. One will connect Ladakh with the rest of India via Manali-Rohtang. Another will connect Itanagar, capital of Arunachal Pradesh state, with neighboring Assam.

These developments could effectively neutralize China’s current advantage. Besides, Indian troops are much more capable in jungle and mountain warfare than they were in 1962. India’s conflict with Kashmir in Kargil in 1999 has presumably shown China that Indians cannot be beaten on the ground as easily as they were in 1962.

China won the 1962 battle with India by indulging in classic Chinese warfare tactics – confusing the enemy with conciliatory signals. On the ground, India had incompetent generals leading a brave bunch of soldiers. Additionally, Chinese soldiers had an advantage with their Soviet copies of German-designed submachine guns called “burp guns.” The rapid-fire submachine guns overwhelmed the Indians, who were carrying World War II Lee Enfield rifles.

Things have now changed; India’s current assault rifle is comparable to China’s and India’s generals have learned the art of war.

India will receive new military hardware in the next five years. Its newly commissioned nuclear submarine will be fully operational by 2012 or 2013, and the Russian aircraft carrier on order is expected to join the Indian navy. Indian-made light combat aircraft and imported medium combat aircraft will be operational in squadron strength.

All this hardware, plus ultra-light artillery fit for action in the Himalayas, will soon become operational. By 2014 India will have twice its current firepower and ten times that of 1962.

So China is planning a new strategy that includes cruise-missile attacks on the Indian heartland and confrontation on the high seas. The biggest threats to India are missiles launched from Tibet and China’s naval armada in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese cruise missiles with a range of 1,500 miles launched from Tibet and intermediate-range ballistic missiles launched from Delingha are big threats. India’s industrial heartland and military bases lie within their range, and new guidance systems make the missiles highly accurate. There is no known defense against a massed attack by some 200 cruise missiles. India’s only hope is that they would miss their targets after traveling 600 miles over the Himalayas.

China is depending most on its naval armada in the Indian Ocean. It has a surveillance station off the Myanmar coast and a newly built naval port in Gawdar, Pakistan. Both are militarily significant. But India counters this advantage with its naval base at the western mouth of the Gulf of Malacca on Andaman Island.

If an overconfident China decided to test Indian resolve by creating an incident, India could retaliate by capturing China’s surveillance base off the Myanmar coast. This could escalate hostilities, but China would risk losing its oil supplies if it stepped up the conflict.

It is pointless for China to wage war with India. Instead, the two countries should engage in greater trade and business, which can bring more prosperity. An unsuccessful invasion of India would be a terrible loss for the Chinese.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)



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Dr_N_Ram @ December 25, 2009 04:30AM HKT
Being a Doctorate in Political Science and domiciled in the UK, I can say with firmness that India is no walkover for China in conventional warfare ( Ref : Jane's defense - May 09). India has either the same firepower either in a land warfare, air, or sea, but China may have more inventory of arsenals, but this would not deter India as India knows where to cut off China's vital feeder points and supply routes.The first attack by India is to blockade or destroy China's oil supply routes and the Far Eastern Countries like Vietnam, Thailand are no great friends of China,while Thailand would succumb to US pressure, the other nations too.India would emerge equally successful in a conventional warfare, but of course if it is a nuclear one then it is advantage China-Dr.N.Ram

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Indiansoldier1999 @ October 11, 2009 12:18AM HKT
2. The author of the article also says that India's purchases can deter China. Well keep dreaming.

Do you think bunch of conventional arms like SAMs and fighter jets can deter China? I don't think so

By 2015, India will induct 3 Ballistic missile nuclear submarines which gives credible second strike capability. Indian Navy can also easily cut off Strait of Malacca route (80% of oil pass through it for China).

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Indiansoldier1999 @ October 11, 2009 12:18AM HKT
1. It is wrong to say that India will be overwhelmed by cruise missile attack.

a - India can use "Shourya" quasi-ballistic missile as a conventional missile. It will be under production from 2010.(1900 km @ 180 kg)

b. India also has a huge stock pile of Prithvi III conventional ballistic missiles.(1500 km @ 250 kg payload)

c. India could also use BraHmos (300 km @ 300 kg payload, 600 km @ 150 kg payload) to cut off the supply lines in Tibet. It doesn't have to launched from West bengal for that.

d. India also can use conventional Agni II missile (4500 km @ 750 kg payload) to destroy military bases. ( Moutain tunnels have already been created for both conventional and nuclear Agni II missiles) source: Frontline

e. If you say that the military head quarters need to be taken out in Beijing, then use Agni III conventional ballistic missile. (5000 km @ 3000 kg payload with 3 stages). Agni III under production since 2008. Source: The Hindu



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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:42AM HKT
'China bashing' in the Indian media
By Amit Baruah
Editor, BBC Hindi


It's the silly season in India-China relations. If you've tuned into one of the more hawkish Indian television channels or are reading the views of the many experts on India and China, it might seem like the two countries are at each other's throats.

There has been a spate of denials from the Indian foreign ministry, the border guards and even the Indian air force. All insist that there have been no clashes and no violations of Indian air space.

"A media report about two ITBP [Indo-Tibetan Border Police] jawans [soldiers] having been injured due to firing from across the Line of Actual Control has come to notice. It is factually incorrect," the Indian foreign ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

And here is what the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman had to say about the same incident: "I have not heard of the scenario you mentioned... I have noticed, however, that Indian media has been releasing some groundless information recently. I wonder what their intention is."


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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:41AM HKT
There has been a spate of denials from the Indian foreign ministry, the border guards and even the Indian air force. All insist that there have been no clashes and no violations of Indian air space.

"A media report about two ITBP [Indo-Tibetan Border Police] jawans [soldiers] having been injured due to firing from across the Line of Actual Control has come to notice. It is factually incorrect," the Indian foreign ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.

And here is what the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman had to say about the same incident: "I have not heard of the scenario you mentioned... I have noticed, however, that Indian media has been releasing some groundless information recently. I wonder what their intention is."

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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:41AM HKT
'Without pause'

But China's concerns about accuracy do not seem to bother a large chunk of the Indian media, which is engaged in a rather serious bout of "China-bashing" these days.

Such China "stories" continue without pause.

Facts do not seem to matter as some Indian media organisations believe that this is the best way to grab a larger market share.

"Nothing has changed on the ground between the two countries," a senior Indian official, who preferred anonymity, told the BBC.



The Indian media has been reporting alleged incursions by Chinese soldiers
"I just can't understand the reasons for this hysteria," the official said.

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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:40AM HKT
China is India's largest trading partner, with two-way trade volumes crossing $50bn in 2008.

The two countries have been trying to negotiate a solution to their decades-old boundary dispute, a process which shows few signs of reaching fruition anytime soon.

There hasn't been a single fatality in skirmishes along the undefined India-China boundary since 1967, but the memories of the crushing defeat inflicted by the Chinese on India in the 1962 war have not faded from the minds of some Indians.


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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:40AM HKT
In a sense, the ghost of 1962 also has not been exorcised from the memories of a certain narrow, but influential, category of retired generals and diplomats, who still harbour ambitions of "giving it back to the Chinese".

Media war

In the last two decades - ever since a path-breaking visit by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi to Beijing in 1988 - there has been a visible effort on the part of the two governments to try to narrow their differences.

A code was agreed on how patrol parties were to act in case they encountered each other.


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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:40AM HKT
These encounters do take place and the two sides have a specified drill in such cases, which appears to have worked well over the years.

But now, the threat to a stable India-China relationship is coming not from the governments, but from sections within the media.

If the largely private Indian media is belligerent about China, a response is beginning to emerge from the Chinese side as well.

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IsItCorrect @ September 22, 2009 12:39AM HKT
"India likes to brag about its sustainable development, but worries that it is being left behind by China. China is seen in India as both a potential threat and a competitor to surpass," the state-run Global Times wrote in June this year.

In essence, a media war, initiated by a few Indian television channels and newspapers, has now been joined from the Chinese side as the Global Times opinion piece indicates.

Briefing editors of national dailies, a senior Indian official suggested that there was no point in the press showing any "hysteria".

Not many journalists, it would appear, want to listen to such suggestions

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Coolhead @ September 16, 2009 02:18AM HKT
In the title, Hari Sud at least admits that China does have military advantage over India. Oops...

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Coolhead @ September 14, 2009 02:07PM HKT
HariSud wrote: "Have you ever purchased a laptop or commputer or TV or a DVD player made in China even if it says fancy bames like HP, Compaq etc. They breakdown in the first year. "
At least China makes laptop etc. Can India even make laptop or computer or TV or a DVD player? One well known example: Apple iPods are made in China and they are of superior quality. I use many made-in-China products and they last for years, but I cannot even find any Indian products. The Chinese schools you mentioned were due to corruption, not their construction capability because almost all the government office buildings next to the schools survived the quake.

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SimratPal @ September 13, 2009 09:46AM HKT
Mr Hari Sud, its good to see your confidence building mail, though I dont doubt your fatcs but still would like to share something here. First of all there is a parity between us and them be it conventional or nuclear. Secondly they are far more aggressive when it comes to defense preparedness where as unfortunately in India a single defence deal will take years to accomplish, so many years that by that time the demands of forces will change. In recent years chinese have made massive infrastructure build ups at Indo-China border like roads and fast rail links which can support a massive troops build up in just few hours where as comparatively our preparations had been not up to the mark. China has kind of surrounded India, sino-pak frinedship is all known, in addition they have good presence in burma, increasing there presence in sri lanka. its just that we need to show the same aggression to counter the dragon.

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Rakesh @ September 7, 2009 06:40AM HKT
Hi Hari,

Recently Bharat Verma made a prediction that China might attack India by
2012. It seems that this time frame is consistent with what you are saying -
India needs 4-5 years to have some kind of parity in defence with China. Any
comment about this?

Thanks,
R


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avinash @ September 7, 2009 01:09AM HKT
looks like serious overlook here "India’s conflict with Kashmir in Kargil in 1999"
the conflict was with Pakistan and not with Kashmir! but about Kashmir for sure

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HariSud @ September 6, 2009 09:29PM HKT

Manu

Chinese military hardware has undergone rigorous tests in the west. It is a copy of the original which has been reverse engineered. It is nowhere even close to the original. That is one reason they have been spying for technology.

Chinese numbers are always superior; they love to throw numbers. it suites them.

Have you ever purchased a laptop or commputer or TV or a DVD player made in China even if it says fancy bames like HP, Compaq etc. They breakdown in the first year. The telephone switching hardware which British have used, requires three times more money to keep it working or the power plants they have supplied in Pakistan have to be shutdown more often. The contruction work which came to light during the last year's earthquake. it was all third class. Most of the schools collapsed killing thousands of children attending schools.

Their frigates hastily built are not upto the mark

Hari sud

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Manu @ September 6, 2009 08:32PM HKT
Sir, with all due respect your article is not only misleading but gives Indians a sense of complacency when the need of the hour is to get off our butts and do something about the sad state of procurement and the crap that the OFBs produce. Please have a look at the latest updates on Chinese production on my website. Compare the quality of their frigate construction compared to the Indian ones. A sense of patriotism is dis-illusioning you.

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DEVINDRA @ September 5, 2009 02:18PM HKT
In the current economic downturn worldwide the Indian/ Chinese trade is worth around $20 billion. Not a mean sum especially for a export led economy like China.Chinese probes from the north to test our mettle will be there in the next few years till they realise the futility of the same.Two skirmishes in 1967 and 1989 led to a bloody nose and quick withdrawal by the Chinese.Politically they had expected a fractured verdict from the general elections in May 2009 in India.The sweep of the UPA govt. has once again caught them on the wrong foot and the demise of the communist/ Left parties has further accentuated their disarray.Better to mend fences now as for the forseable future till 2014 there will be a strong steady govt. in power and the Chinese respect strength culturally.

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DEVINDRA @ September 5, 2009 02:05PM HKT
The armed forces have officers trained rigourously in NDA/IMA/NAVAC/OTA/IAF BIDAR.Hard as nails these APOLITICAL officers lead from the front.This is in sharp contrast to the soviet modelled training prevalent in China where political qualities are more desired in their officers such that the communist party has a hold over the PLA/PLAN/PLAAF.The 'zam' polit officer has more of a say in Chinese nuclear subs than the Captain!HRD failure was one of the prime causes of the collapse of the USSR.The success of India's ABM project(PAD and AAD )widely reported in influential Chinese journals as equal to/ more capable than Patriot-3 of the USA/ 400 series of Russia has been an equalizer not anticipated.Slowly but surely the Chinese think tanks are looking at PM Manmohan Singh's actions with profound respect as from 2004 he has built up the economy& given the military capabilities a hard shove upwards.The strategic capabilities have been enhanced with the commissioning of the nuclear sub programme/ ABM missiles/Agni 3&5 missiles/ SLBM K-X series.The notable aspect has been in all these aforesaid programmes is that they are indigenous with consultancy as desired.Large dollops of cash have also been budgetted to keep afloat the modernization program for conventional weapons/ sensors.

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DEVINDRA @ September 5, 2009 01:31PM HKT
Chineses military strategists trained in the USSR are aware today of a glaring weakness.They are not world class at sea.On the oceans they are not as capable as they should be and this weakness affects their SLOC strategy.Most of their imports are by heavy sea borne carriers/vessels from the four corners of the globe.This weakness is further enhanced by India's capable Navy which can squeeze them from east of the Suez to the horn of Africa.It will take them 50 years to build a maritime presence.China's missile capability is formidable but its accuracy is suspect.This lack of precision vis a vis its peer group is interesting.India's lighter FBF warheads on its missiles but with a CEP of 100metres has made Chinese military strategists sit up with respect.Their monitoring capabilities have given them enough data that the PSLV is India's ICBM& its Agni5 series with the new warheads are fitted with MIRV capability.Recent exercises with the army and Navy in India/China have alerted them to the newly capable armed forces.

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DEVINDRA @ September 5, 2009 01:10PM HKT
China's present position today as an economic and military power is closely remniscient to that of Nazi Germany in 1933.Economically the PPP basis of its GDP is around 5+trillion dollars,it has a stranglehold on USA by investing $1trillion in its gilts&bonds.This has lead to the US talking about a G2 summit.EU and Africa are being given attention by doles in these hard recession times,a strategy to keep them subservient.India's economic growth since 1991 has surprised them in 2008.A nation the political leadership considered as beneath contempt is growing at 6% plus in 2009!! How??This achievement is glaring considering their export lead model economy is sputtering today.Millions are jobless in the coastal SEZ's,cities have manhattan style buildings but unoccupied,rural countryside is witnessing riots yet here is India cruising along economically.Their proxy state Pakistan is a basket case, it is racked by civil war and now terrorists trained in NWFP are targetting Xinjiang causing huge unrest.

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divakarsathya @ September 5, 2009 11:31AM HKT
Thank you for your interesting and informative article Shri Sud, but surely you do not believe, that hardware and firepower alone would win wars ? Has that not proved to be the classic Western "folly"? My post calls attention to certain diseases in the political economy, which as a resident Indian, I would want my beloved country to have overcome by "2014" at least.

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HariSud @ September 5, 2009 05:04AM HKT

Guys

Would you please limit your comments to the subject at hand

hari

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divakarsathya @ September 5, 2009 01:19AM HKT

This is the easy part. Now let us try and confront the "enemy" within.

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divakarsathya @ September 5, 2009 01:16AM HKT


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Abhishek @ September 4, 2009 06:24PM HKT
Sir,

Thanks for this confidence giving view against a awed enemy, but there is lot of distrust among public against govt & bureacrats involved in military preparation against china.








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