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Toronto, ON, Canada, — Two persons, one in India and the other in China, have independently created a ruckus about India’s existence as an independent country.

In India the retiring chief of naval staff, Admiral Suresh Mehta, at a public function in New Delhi on Aug. 10, described China’s power as beyond India’s match and suggested that India stop chasing the mirage of equaling it.

In China, a recent article by a relatively unknown but well-connected author, Zhan Lue, suggested that India should be broken up into 20 to 30 smaller states – in other words, “Balkanized.”

Both men directly and indirectly declared that India has no future. While India is yet to discipline its admiral, China immediately described the article as unauthorized.

Mehta is a well-known and outspoken person. Last year he openly asked Russia to arrange the delivery of the aircraft carrier Gorshkov or refund the US$500 million India had paid for it. In the Indian military establishment such outbursts are uncommon.

Mehta is a highly professional and disciplined military commander. It is extremely rare that someone in his position would step into the political and diplomatic limelight while still in office. But sometimes people on the verge of retirement do have political ambitions, which may explain Mehta’s outspokenness.

Everybody knows that China’s navy is twice as big as India’s. But is it modern enough to pass the Strait of Malacca and fight a well-equipped Indian navy?

India’s navy has the most modern land-based air surveillance capabilities, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, P-8I submarine hunters and Brahmos missiles. China’s navy is all about stolen technology; reverse-engineered missiles and a handful of modern Russian-built ships. Its aim is numbers, not quality. Moreover, if the Chinese were to leave their flanks undefended they could find the map of China completely altered by their enemies.

The good admiral in India was politicking and wished a larger piece of the defense budget for the navy. He took the opportunity at the National Maritime Foundation for a swipe at the political establishment.

He is not the first admiral to publicly undermine his own country. The late Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr., chief of U.S. naval operations under former U.S. President Richard Nixon, complained about the state of the U.S. fleet to a Congressional committee. Nobody believed him. When asked whether he would prefer to command the U.S. or the Soviet naval fleet, he replied the latter. Within a year he was retired.

The Indian admiral went far beyond his role as a naval officer, suggesting that cooperation rather than conflict should be the core Indian policy toward China. He did not realize that China through the millennia of its history has never compromised. It has faced defeat and subjugation from outsiders but never compromised. Cooperation with the Chinese is possible on their terms only.

The trust deficit between India and China to which Mehta referred is the outcome of China’s occupation of Indian territory since 1957, although the Bandung Conference declaration of 1955, to which China is a signatory, emphasized non-interference and non-aggression.

As for Zhan Lue’s point in China’s Global Times, it seems he borrowed his thought process from Pakistani intellectuals who wish India to be a weakened state for Muslim hordes to rule again. Zhan wrote that India’s sense of unity is weak and China’s best option would be to remove India as its rival in Asia. He even suggested that India be broken up into 20 to 30 sovereign states along the lines of its current provinces, and argued that China and India cannot co-exist.

The Chinese intellectual expressed his views under a pseudonym, although the hand of official Chinese policymakers in the publication cannot be ignored. It is typical for Chinese officials to float an idea to test its reception, and later deny it.

The Chinese have become paranoid about India’s fast growth in the last ten years. They have been making noises about India’s bad economy, bad political state and bad infrastructure. In fact, India’s economy has grown at about 9 percent for the last seven years.

For many Chinese like Zhan, India is a thorn that needs to be removed. But few see China’s major weakness – an economy completely export-dependent and earnings deposited in U.S. banks. Many do not realize how bad their economy could be hit if the West decided to cut back on Chinese imports and do away with borrowed Chinese money.

The timing of Zhan’s article is also critical. It coincided with the commissioning of India’s domestically built nuclear submarine in July. The Indian submarine is superior to China’s and makes its goal of dominating the Indian Ocean harder, which explains Zhan’s outburst.

The Indian admiral’s outburst and the Chinese unofficial statement put together lead to one conclusion: India must increase its defense budget by double digits every year for the next ten years. This will ward off any Chinese menace and make Indian admirals and generals happy.

Even today, soldier for soldier, India’s defense budget is comparable to China’s. India’s defense spending is US$30 billion for its 1.2 million troops. China’s budget is close to US$65-$75 billion for its force of 2.6 million.

China’s offensive capabilities in the Himalayas are limited. Its lifeline – one railway line passing over 300 miles of permafrost – cannot support a big military force. Its current force is insufficient to mount a successful attack on India through the Himalayas.

What is driving China’s overconfidence? With the United States as its debtor, China feels it has neutralized the United States. This is true to some extent, but China has a tendency to overestimate its power.

China also dislikes the Russians, except for their military hardware. For 60 years Russia’s focus was Western Europe and the United States. With the Cold War over, that focus has now shifted. Presently, the Russians will not take kindly any Chinese moves of the type they staged in the Ussuri River in 1967. The same is true with Vietnam.

Taiwan is a separate matter, as the Chinese have cooled the issue a bit to win the U.S. export market.

China’s trump card against India is Pakistan – although its own permanent troubles with tribesmen in the Northwest Frontier Province have dealt a deathblow to its India ambitions. But still, China can hobnob with Pakistan against India.

The United States has been making noises about India being a regional power. Both U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, during her recent India visit, and Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke have said the same. Somehow India has to align with the United States and get over all the issues that dampen their relationship. The recent climate change spat or the ongoing Indo-U.S. nuclear reprocessing problems and other issues have set the clock back. But with China breathing down its neck, India has to find allies.

India should raise its defense budget to US$50 billion in five years, which it can afford. Its economy in five years will hit the US$1.6 trillion mark. Similarly, one can expect China’s defense budget to increase in the same proportion.

India’s success will be determined by its alliances with other powers, which is the key to its future. If in doubt, take the example of Britain, which allied with the United States to win two world wars in the last century; otherwise it might well have become a Nazi state since 1945.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)



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captainJohann @ August 26, 2009 01:49PM HKT
The author basically is trying to say India must align with USA.But USA is the enemy country of India with $15 billiion aid to Pakistani army. US also has been supporting dictators like Zia,Musharaff while abondoning elected leaders like Nawaz,Benazir etc.Even today it is abondoning Zardari for Kiyani or even Army backed Gillani.
India must stand on its own leg. Adm Suresh Mehtha was doing the Job of USA insttead of guarding Indian coast from pakistani infiltrators.USA could not even help Georgia which it instigated against russia.USA will not stand upto China against Japan or South korea.

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bhimdev @ August 26, 2009 10:09AM HKT
Launching a nuclear sub is one thing, but it will be some years before the Arihant is operational. It might be technically superior to chinese nuclear subs, however, it's not much of a threat just yet. My point being don't underestimate the Chinese nor over estimate India's capabilites.

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Kyle @ August 26, 2009 12:07AM HKT

"India’s success will be determined by its alliances with other powers, which is the key to its future. If in doubt, take the example of Britain, which allied with the United States to win two world wars in the last century; otherwise it might well have become a Nazi state since 1945."

What do you smoke, Sir Sud? Britain becoming a Nazi state? Do you know any history of World War II? Hitler's Barbarossa failed because the English defeated his airforce without substantial American help. The U.S didn't enter the war until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour. By all means, ally with other countries, if you can pull it off, then be my guest. Just don't be so dramatic about it.




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Kyle @ August 26, 2009 12:07AM HKT

"India must increase its defense budget by double digits every year for the next ten years. This will ward off any Chinese menace and make Indian admirals and generals happy."

How much to spend on military is India's own business. But what is that "Chinese menace" you are talking about? We have some border disputes and a bunch of juveniles screaming injustice that's it. Take a chill pill and do some Yoga.

"China also dislikes the Russians, except for their military hardware. For 60 years Russia’s focus was Western Europe and the United States. With the Cold War over, that focus has now shifted. Presently, the Russians will not take kindly any Chinese moves of the type they staged in the Ussuri River in 1967."

Exactly, that's so why we have a Shanghai agreement and some nicely done joint military exercises. Oh and all border disputes with Russia have been settled by negotiation, because the Russians are apparently much more mature than the Indians. Besides, Russian girls are hot when they are young (over 30 Russian women are a different issue). I like them :D

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Kyle @ August 26, 2009 12:07AM HKT
"The Chinese have become paranoid about India’s fast growth in the last ten years."

ROFLMAO hahaha Sir Sud I salute you for your imagination. I actually want India to grow so it can become a better market. However your politicians are a bunch of protectionist knuckleheads.

"They have been making noises about India’s bad economy, bad political state and bad infrastructure."

Yes because it is at least 2/3 true. Just ask any non-Indian about India's infrastructure and political state. And the smell of curry, ahh... classic.


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DEVINDRA @ August 25, 2009 04:35PM HKT
India's support to Srilanka to defeat the LTTE& political advice to settle the Tamil dispute within the contours of the nation is being recognised globally.In the littoral states around India a strong political message of support for the democracies has gone down well.Material support& fiscal aid to counter China's machinations in the IOR are being pursued vigourously.Perhaps we have been a late starter.The chinese think tanks can expect a quiet but determined reaction to their statements& increasingly it will be a velvet glove covering a steel fist.

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DEVINDRA @ August 25, 2009 04:24PM HKT
The unexpected resurgence of the Indian economy in the last two decades was not forseen by the world.In the recession affecting the world India too has slowed down & exports have been hit.The failure of the monsoon in 2009 has been a cause of deep concern.Modernisation of the security forces however has not been allowed to be hampered.It is recognised that internal& external security challenges inimical to our nation are present.Redeployment of the armed forces and paramilitary forces are on too meet current& future threats.Whilst diplomacy is the chosen path for resolution of border agreements the PM& the UPA govt.have clearly stated that there will no bargaining of our'settled'people& areas.

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DEVINDRA @ August 25, 2009 04:08PM HKT
The factual position of what Adm Mehta said in the NMF lecture was a wake up call.His stand is that if we are technologically superior then we can meet existing /future threat perceptions.A classic example is Israel whose weaker in numbers IDF has successfully held off the challenge of the Arab armies/terror threats since 1948.India geographically controls the energy lifeline of China from the Gulf/Suez/around Africa by deploying its Navy in the seas around it/IOR.China recognises this fact.Its planners seek to rectify its alarming weakness by a pipeline strategy with the 5'stans'in central asia.Its dependence on Russia for oil&gas from Siberia is also vulnerable.India's nuclear powered submarine strategy is a major headache as it is a instrument of state power& can seriously undermine imports of commodities for its industries geared to an export led economic model.

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Jatt @ August 25, 2009 04:53AM HKT
According to CIA estimates, China real defense budget is around 200 billion, a solid 1/3 USA defense budget, 2nd largest in the world

India paltry 22 billion defense budget is 1/10 of china real secret defense budget - less that Saudi Arabia's

After all have you forgotten 1962?

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Jatt @ August 25, 2009 04:48AM HKT
CHINA NOMINAL GDP IS 4 TRILLION ACCORDING TO IMF, WORLDBANK CIAFACTBOOK
CHINA PPP IS MINIMUM 8 TRILLION MARK CONSERVATIVELY IF NOT MORE (MAYBE BIGGER THAN EU AND USA 15 TRILLION???)

PS THIS NOT INCLUDE HONG KONG OR MACAU

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HariSud @ August 25, 2009 04:18AM HKT

What a bullshit you have.

INS Vikrant was retired in 1997. It is a museum now.

You compare apples and oranges in GDP figure. I am talking about constant dollar basis as published by the World Bank.

On todays dollar basis i.e PPP (purchasing Power Parity) Indian economy in $3.2 Trillion; (CIA FACT BOOK) not far from Chinese economy.

All your figures of Chinese industrial base are wrong. These are good for self glorification. What counts is how much of this is internally consumed by its own people. China exports 60% of its GDP, there is hardly anything left for internal consumption.

In Indian case, 60% is consumed internally.

Got the point?


Hari

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Jatt @ August 25, 2009 03:50AM HKT
Indias only aircraft carrier is ancient WW2 British made light class i.e INS Vikrant
INS Vikramaditya projected to replace INS Vikrant is 30 year old ex-soviet light small class
China will eventually build its own aircraft carriers, but already have the most modern Soviet ever built aircraft carrier Varyag being refitted

About India GDP hitting 1.6 trillion in next 5 years, thats still not in top ten of the world. Canada today has a GDP of 1.6 Trillion with a population base of just 33 million, or just 3% of Indias

China GDP is ranked as 4 trillion today by World Bank, IMF and CIAFACTBOOK

China has 10 times the industrial base of India (China industrial base estimate 1-1.5 trillion, india's 100-150 billion)








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