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Freeze in India-U.S. ties benefits China

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Toronto, ON, Canada, — U.S. President Barack Obama has turned lukewarm to India, although outwardly he maintains a warm posture. Unfortunately, the good days of Indo-U.S. ties during the presidency of George W. Bush are history, and all achievements of that era are under review.

Diehard liberals and antinuclear proponents from former U.S. President Bill Clinton’s era are back in the State Department and are calling the shots. A focus on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as well as the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty and its ratification by the U.S. Senate are driving their agenda.

The White House, in its enthusiasm for treaty ratification, is prepared to put the brakes on the Indo-U.S. nuclear deal and has used multiple excuses to slow it down. To make a better case for U.S. Senate ratification, Obama is making a point of getting India to ratify the test ban treaty too.

Who will benefit most from this spat? China – which was unhappy with growing Indo-U.S. ties, as India’s emergence would prevent China’s domination of Asia and the Indian Ocean.

But diehard nuclear deal opponents in the United States are unmindful of the strategic implications of the deal. For India, the deal is a statement of the United States’ strategic interest in India. Without India as a bulwark, the chances for U.S. policy to succeed in Asia are limited. It may well have to vacate the South China Sea and the Korean peninsula.

The first seven years of Clinton’s presidency were pro-China years. He offered China financial and commercial benefits and allowed it to cart away U.S. manufacturing jobs. It was during Clinton’s presidency that the trade deficit with China began to balloon. He never realized the consequences of his pro-China policy. But they are clear now.

Presently, the United States has a US$300 billion trade deficit with China – a country that wants to replace the United States as the world’s power broker. It wants to replace the U.S. dollar with the yuan as the world currency and keep the United States off balance with debts and loans. It wants to build a military that matches that of the United States.

Only in the last year of his presidency did Clinton realize India’s potential and the folly of offering too much to China. Since manufacturing had almost all gone to China, he offered India information technology and back office processing work.

His successor Bush continued the policy and also offered nuclear power to help India’s perpetually underperforming power sector. He also facilitated greater access to foreign direct investment. The nuclear deal, like foreign direct investment in China, is the key to unlock India’s potential. This will add directly to India’s stellar growth of 9 percent achieved from 2005 to 2008.

U.S. ratification of the CTBT is one of the key objectives of Obama’s administration. The ratification vote failed ten years ago during Clinton’s presidency. Now the U.S. liberals believe that they have the votes and the moral authority to get it ratified, provided they get India to do the same.

For India, the nuclear deal’s objectives are simple. These are purely commercial and financial. But it seems that the deal’s fate is enjoined with U.S. ratification.

Somehow, China’s non-ratification of the CTBT is not an issue. Neither is its non-compliance with the NPT, even though disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan has confirmed China’s proliferation activities. The United States could take China to task on this, but will not because it has dug itself into a financial hole and needs China’s money.

So the focus is on India, which is feeling the chill as ten years of progress in a U.S.-India strategic partnership are under review. A few provisions in Obama’s February stimulus package to prevent aid recipient companies from outsourcing work to India have hit at the heart of U.S.-India relations.

But the “Buy America” slogan does not hurt China. There is not much manufacturing left in the United States and most consumer goods are imported from China – which is prospering during the bad times in the United States. People have turned to cheaper but not so durable Chinese goods.

Gone unnoticed is the quiet withdrawal of U.S. support vis-à-vis India’s 50-year-old border dispute with China. It appears that the United States has signaled the Asian Development Bank that it is unlikely to support a loan request from India that contains a provision for flood control measures in the disputed territory. This lack of understanding of India’s position was unthinkable under previous administrations. Obama is definitely implementing “change,” but in the wrong places.

In a turn of events noticed by the media, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s visit to India in July was not to smooth out implementation of the nuclear deal but to extract concessions from India on climate change. The United States wants India to give up coal-based power plants and agree on emissions restrictions. But India is a small polluter compared to Europe, the United States and China. India has low emissions for its size, but is being pressured stop building fossil fuel-based power plants.

Although other small irritants in Indo-U.S. relations have come and gone, the unfinished business of the nuclear deal has led to a freeze in ties. Disagreements over implementation of the 123 Agreement, nuclear reprocessing rights and now climate change concessions are dogging relations.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to the United States is eagerly awaited. Chief executive level political discussions may turn out to be fruitful, although not much hope can be placed on them. The United States has made up its mind on CTBT ratification and it will drag India in too.

Obama needs to understand that India has the market for U.S. goods and services that China is not offering. China is all about exports and pressure tactics to gain advantages. The United States can come to India and indulge in free trade in a balanced way.

India’s 300 million-strong middle class can buy everything the United States has to offer. If the United States bought half of its consumer and industrial goods from India it would improve India’s economy and give Americans the flexibility of sourcing products from both India and China.

Not everybody is in agreement with the current U.S. position on civilian use of nuclear commerce, or for that matter on nuclear weapons. While Obama is pushing for a world without nuclear weapons, Iran and North Korea are doing the opposite and neither the NPT nor the CTBT will stop them. The rules are only for law-abiding nations.

That was the disagreement that emerged between the United States and France in the U.N. Security Council over a U.S.-sponsored resolution on a nuclear weapons-free world. French President Nicolas Sarkozy pointed out that “We live in a real world, not a virtual world.”

The point is that India-U.S. relations are being sidetracked under domestic pressures in the United States and the limitless idealism of newly appointed officials that have little practical knowledge. While the United States is putting misguided pressure on India, China is quietly expanding its influence in Asia, unchecked.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)



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jimmy @ November 23, 2009 02:34PM HKT
A recent popular discussion among Chinese bloggers:

China successfully tested a new type SLBM from Atlantic Ocean, hitting its intended target 16,000 km away in Xinjiang (search Feng Bao 2 SLBM )

Wiki has some good info on JL-2 SLBM ( search wiki with JL-2)

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jimmy @ November 23, 2009 02:06PM HKT
"... India has the market for U.S. goods and services that China is not offering. China is all about exports and pressure tactics to gain advantages ..."

Typical trash from Hari Sud. Does Hari Sud still got any creditability on his trash.

The fact is China has become world's largest auto market in 2008, surpassing US, China is now the second largest luxury goods market in 2008, also surpassing US. China is world's largest mobile and PC market etc.

The above mention is not that important. The important is that, facing a fast growing China, India has become some anxious, immature and rude with a mad and crazy mindset.

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Coolhead @ November 17, 2009 04:22AM HKT
spoope, one more thing that China can make, but India cannot - supercomputer

top500.org /lists/2009/11
In the November 2009 list of the fastest supercomputers in the world, #5 is made by China. India is no where to be found - they cannot make supercomputer, period.



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Coolhead @ November 16, 2009 01:29PM HKT
The Chinese Type 094 submarine is capable of carrying 12 of the more modern JL-2s with a range of approximately 8,000 km, and is capable of targeting much of the Western Hemisphere, some of it from close to the Chinese coast.

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Coolhead @ November 16, 2009 01:26PM HKT
schwzik, why are you talking about China's retired first generation Han class nuclear submarine? The first submarine in the class was commissioned in 1974. Even today, India has not been able to commission their own nuclear submarine over 30 years after China's first!

Chinese nuclear submarins

First Generation

* Type 091 (Han) attack submarines (retired)
* Type 092 (Xia) ballistic missile submarines

Second Generation

* Type 093 (Shang) attack submarines
* Type 094 (Jin) ballistic missile submarines
* Type 095 attack submarines (planned)



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slope @ November 15, 2009 12:34AM HKT
Hey schwzik! the link you posted is an insult to that "chink_dump cooliehead's" paki ego. he knows well that commie china can not produce the high value items but the dollar store dump. its not just the sub or air crafts, fukcuing chang'e 1 was the biggest joke when these copy-cators posted apollo's picture as chang'e 1 capture. in either case china is desperate for industrial and scientific espionage.

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schwzik @ November 14, 2009 10:51PM HKT
Coolhead: The nuke submarines cannot fire missiles!!! and radiation kills, refer htt p://wapedia.mobi/en/Han_class_submarine.

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Coolhead @ November 13, 2009 10:42PM HKT
spoope: whatever you say that China is bad, unfortunately India is even worse. For example, India cannot even copy successfully. China's "copying" is really absorbing and then improving. India cannot even do that. Speaking of jet engine, India cannot even pick the right foreign engine to buy for its HAL Tejas. The US made GE F-404 that India picked is underpowered and India is still looking for a proper foreign engine to buy. That's worse than China.

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slope @ November 10, 2009 11:33AM HKT
Hey Coolie with NO head :-)
ladys and gentlemen: please roll out the red carpet for the "new super power" CHINA :-)
China tries to copy Russian aircraft carrier design.
ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=bz1sOCZxWJE&feature=player_embedded
what the Russians think? check it out

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slope @ November 10, 2009 04:46AM HKT
"China reverse engineered the highly sophisticated Russian SU-27 fighter jet" coolihead!!! china is still having trouble copy-developing the RD-93 engine, without it, jf-10 or 17 is DUD if Russians don't supply the engine. You are just a delivery boy, so you would not know the complexity of a gas turbine especially the one designed as a turbo engine. It may have perfected in copying dollar store crap but not when it comes to advanced engineering product. we have to see them slopheads, how well do they do with Russian incomplete Variyag (air craft carrier)? Russian Skeptix say that china can not do dick all. but I guess you can not hear the china failures. You can argue with Hari about reverse engineering, come to me and I will show you how easy it is duplicate machinery components.

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sara @ November 9, 2009 05:47PM HKT
Hey coolhead this the third time u are posting this link .First answer to the basic physics question asked by schwzik dont try to deviate the topic


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Coolhead @ November 9, 2009 12:33PM HKT
spoope, or ignorant hothead who keeps nagging about China copying... I use the following again to conclude any debate on this:

Read the following lines (not the other junk) from Hari Sud's article (2/27/2009):

upiasia.com /Security/2009/02/27/israels_military_supplies_to_india/3118/

"The DRDO’s worst failure has been its inability to reverse engineer some of its imported weapons systems. Even Pakistan with its low technology has successfully reverse engineered military hardware. China reverse engineered the highly sophisticated Russian SU-27 fighter jet."

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Coolhead @ November 9, 2009 12:28PM HKT
schwzik: if you read my link, you will know that it tells you about DF-21 and show you that Chinese missile technology is more that what you can imagine. It shows you that your Chinese missile CEP data is way out of date.

"The DF-21C is reported to employ terminal homing to achieve a CEP in the order of 10 meters, a level of accuracy sufficient to target a large surface vessel such as an aircraft carrier. China has been researching MaRV systems to counter foreign ABM endeavors; combining the DF-21C with a terminal-homing MaRV would provide the PLA with a weapon system possessing a reasonable chance of breaking through the AEGIS umbrella and posessing the accuracy needed to finish the job."

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slope @ November 9, 2009 09:03AM HKT
"schwzik Said Coolhead: Your lack of undestanding of physics is causing a great deal of inconvenience to you"he is a frickin pizza or chink food delivery boy, what will he know about physix? if he were a moslem, then the koranic science would kick in, such as "earth being flat or the center of the universe". Al Buraq used to fly out to the moon. thats the only physix that idiot would know :-)

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slope @ November 9, 2009 08:49AM HKT
coolie head!!! htt p://ww w.zimbio.co m/F-22+Raptor/articles/7/Russian+arms+Made+in+China. this is a paki website presenting the chink ingenuity in copying technology

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schwzik @ November 8, 2009 11:08AM HKT
Coolhead: When talking of missiles and flight path trajectories and laws of physics, when you run out of you stock of limited knowledge, you send a link related to RADARS...dude could you please stick to the subject of missiles so that I can calrify your doubts and introduce/bring you to the world of reality. You have decided to remain in the world of weblinks only..and seems no one can help you out with this. Please have some mercy on yourself.

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schwzik @ November 8, 2009 10:46AM HKT
Coolhead: Your lack of undestanding of physics is causing a great deal of inconvenience to you. The missile faces atmospheric forces even BEFORE it enters space, BUT Coolhead..U FAIL to see that it is only the first 90 seconds of the flight, the remaining 7-8 minutes of the flight is IN HAND for the onboard computing to correct the trajectory if it has been altered by atmospheric forces. This luxury of time for correcting the trajectory is not available when the missile re-enters atmosphere, where it will spend another few seconds before hitting the target. Dude you get yourself enrolled in a good physics class bcoz in your blinded limited view of reality, whatever China does or makes, you start to blindly worship it religiously.

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Coolhead @ November 8, 2009 09:27AM HKT
schwzik: yeah, whatever India is not capable of doing is "just a matter of Option". What a pathetic excuse. Only 3 countries can destroy a satellite - US, Russia and China. Knowing a target location does not make a task easier. Who does not know the location of any city in the world? CEP is mostly about a stationary target anyway. Don't "local atmospheric forces like changes of pressure and winds" also exist BEFORE a missile enters space? You just try to skew the facts to make whatever China can do sound easy; while India simply is not capable of doing it, period.

"then it will come at an expense of speed loss". Not necessarily. The maneuverability can cause very little speed loss while making interception much harder. You are just nitpicking. Just because you guess infra-red seeking due to your lack of knowledge does not mean the Chinese missile actually uses it. Yeah, make up something so that you can attack, very funny. China developed OTH radar and MaRV to achieve a CEP in the order of 10 meters. India does not have any of these technologies.
geimint.blogspot.com /2008/11/oth-radar-and-asbm-threat.html

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schwzik @ November 7, 2009 10:21PM HKT
Coolhead, another point of your comment regarding hitting a moving target by DF-21. Ballistic missiles after it re-enters atmosphere, it is guided by inertial guidence systems or together with a combination with GPS. Most ballistic missiles cannot alter their target bcoz the guidence system will not allow for that. But probably what chinese might have done is to add a heat seeking component to the guidence system. Taget locking by seeking infra-red signatures is an old technology dating back to 1960s. In a nut shell, if the last leg of the flight path of a ballistic missile is capable of being altered, then it will come at an expense of speed loss [in the last leg] for giving the missile manoeuvering ability to target the moving object, and so such a slow flying ballistic missile is more vulnerable to to be intercepted. A coin has two sides. Let common sense prevail...any doubts Mr.Coolhead.

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schwzik @ November 7, 2009 09:57PM HKT
Coolhead, there is a significant lack of common sense in your comments. CEP is a type or error which cannot be eliminated because when a ballistic missile re-enter atmosphere, it faces local atmospheric forces like changes of pressure and winds. But in space these forces are absent. So it is easier to hit a satellite orbiting in an orbit which remains same over the years, than hitting a land based target. For chinese it will be even easier to hit their own satellite as they have precise info of orbital motion/position of their satellite..if chinese cannot hit their own satellite then who else will?? For the matter of hitting a satellite, any country which has placed satellites in space can do the same, it is just a matter of Option.

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sara @ November 7, 2009 02:38PM HKT
Again u coolhead is repeating the same point first u said what proof does
schwzik has once he posted the links u are calling it as Out-dated information
or u will call it as junk website .How many links we have posted for showing proof for china's missile assistance from other countries and i also listed 7 countries in that list but u listed only 3 countries for india The point schwzik trying to make is CEP of india and he has shown the proof and also he explained the basics of physics .But u are still talking about Out-dated information or junk website without answering the point raised by me and schwzik .As i said earlier if u know the answer write the comment else dont write anything

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Coolhead @ November 7, 2009 02:40AM HKT
schwzik: India Agni missile guidance system "have been developed with a great deal of West German assistance" decades ago. (fas.org /nuke/guide/india/missile/agni.htm)

Like you said, the Chinese keep their missile CEP secret, therefore what you find on the Internet is out-of-date information. Just put it this way: over 2 years ago, China was already able to use ballistic missile to hit their old satellite in earth orbit. How big is a weather satellite? To hit it requires pin-point accuracy. Now it is widely reported that DF-21(x) can hit a moving aircraft carrier. What CEP is required to hit a moving target of this size?


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Coolhead @ November 7, 2009 02:12AM HKT
schwzik: so you are saying "India does not have long range missiles only because India did not want it". What a pathetic excuse! India had a war with China back in 1962, but you are still pretending that "China was not our threat until recently". Only the recent Agni-II can cover most of China and it is still in trial as your link shows.


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schwzik @ November 7, 2009 01:14AM HKT
Though Chinese never release the CEP but some estimates considering their original Russian makes are at htt://personal.inet.fi/cool/foxfour/sovmis/chimis-css.html.
Indian CEP at domain-b.com /aero/mil_avi/miss_muni/20091023_agni-II_user_trial_oneView.html

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schwzik @ November 7, 2009 12:43AM HKT
To Sara:Thanks for your support.
To Coolhead: Further suggested reading for you below:
Why India did not concentrate to counter China is the well known fact that since long India wanted to have a minimum credible deterrent agianst the Pak threat (only) and until recently China was not on the perceived Threat list. ICBM development [for reaching Chinese cities] was not on the agenda inspite of having the 'satellite launching' + 'Ballistic Missile' tech bcoz the political class and defense establishments of India had come to believe that ICBM will merely remain as a 'technology demonstrator project' and so spending huge funds for the same was un-worthy as 3500-5000 km missiles were considered sufficient for countering Pak threat. Coolhead, I hope you get the point. So ICBM for India always remained just an option and NOT a limitation. Coolhead should also use his common sense to figure out that the technology for sending rockets to space is actually a dual use technology [refer N.Korean rocket/satellite launches]

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schwzik @ November 7, 2009 12:19AM HKT
Coolhead, you said lot of things and this exposed your limited knowledge and lack of common sense. How you got exposed read below:
1. I never compared cruise missile to a ballistic missile. CEP is generally not talked of when looking at cruise missiles. But exception is coolhead's theories.
2. Chinese are working on improving the CEP of their soviet era missiles, and chinese never talk of the CEP. Also bcoz CEP is large Chinese missiles carry Megaton warhead to make sure that the target is anyway killed even if missiles lands 1 km away. Indian missiles can be lean and mean with 20 m CEP. and also Indians always do talk of CEP and the claim of 20 menetes CEP has not been challenged by the US or any other media.
3. All Ballistic Missiles [even with 3500 km range] enter space and then re-enter atmosphere, So coolhead check your basic understanding of Ballistic Missile trajectory or join basic Physics class.

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Coolhead @ November 6, 2009 10:45AM HKT
schwzik: another point, cruise missiles have smaller CEP than ballistic missiles. You should also compare missiles of the same type. Comparison of apple and orange is useless.

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Coolhead @ November 6, 2009 10:42AM HKT
schwzik: note that the longer the missile range, the more difficult to keep CEP small. You should compare the CEP of 2 missiles with about the same range. Also you should compare missiles developed around the same period, say, the latest missiles from both countries for the same range. Sadly India's longest range is only 3500km, so you should compare this missile with the latest Chinese mid-range missile of the same range.

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Coolhead @ November 6, 2009 10:36AM HKT
schwzik: what's your proof of your CEP numbers? Which missiles have what CEP and any credible links to prove?
As for multiple satellites, those multiple satellites that India launched were very small satellites, which are much smaller and lighter than missile war heads. Also war heads involve reentry while satellites do not need technology for reentry. Therefore multiple war heads are much more difficult to launch to hit targets than multiple small satellite. First, Indian missiles simply do not have enough power to launch multiple war heads. Second, India does not have the technology to handle the reentry of multiple war heads to hit their targets. India still has a long way to go to launching multiple war heads. Your shallow knowledge does not cover that depth yet.


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sara @ November 6, 2009 12:42AM HKT
well said buddy schwzik

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schwzik @ November 6, 2009 12:11AM HKT
there is a term called CEP, circular error of probability which determines the accuracry and precision of any missile to hit the intended target. The Indian missile's guidence system ensures a CEP of 20 meters, while the Chinese reverse engineered ones have CEP of 200 meters to 1 Kilometers. Regarding the range of missiles, India's ability to place mutiple satelleites with one launch vehicle to a textbook accuracy explains that developing ICBMs just an option. i guess Coolhead should give due consideration to the above two important facts.

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sara @ November 5, 2009 02:28PM HKT
Again problem in understanding u dumb hothead i said this is not the only website which shows about chinese missiles i have given this website bcoz u will say all the websites are junk y are u searching for my mistake how india's growth is related to me i am working in an American software company and i am paying my TAX and i am also contributing for my country's growth and as i said earlier india is Far ahead of china in IT Field which is the difficut task Making cheap products like what china is doing in not difficult
China also has the Russian-built SS-N-22 Sunburn anti-ship missiles outfitted on four new Russian refitted Sovremenny-class destroyers in the Chinese Navy.
Reference-centurychina.com /plaboard/archive/3792541.shtml And one more point
The Chinese have acquired Russian-built Suburn missiles which are capable of skimming 1½ meters above the surface of the ocean at a speed of Mach 2.5.
Reference-factsanddetails.com /china.php?itemid=292&catid=8&subcatid=51 So now guess how china made DF-21C missile

it has

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slope @ November 5, 2009 10:39AM HKT
hey fukchead coolie!!! why don't you give me your ID? you tough yellow a$$ kisser. email it to me and then we will debate it live.

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Coolhead @ November 5, 2009 02:51AM HKT
sara: that article says "The design concept of the DF-21C is closer to the Soviet Union’s SS-22". You don't even know the difference between "closer" and "copy"? SS-22 cannot hit a moving target at sea; while DF-21C can and it is the FIRST in the world.
I have already told you it is meaningless to say who copies what and gets what help because both India and China do that. What matters is who has the better weapons in the end, copied or improved or new. Obviously China has better weapons than India. India wanted to copy, but is not even able to.
You are too silly and uneducated to understand my point. Because of dumb hotheads like you, India can never catch up with China.

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sara @ November 5, 2009 01:46AM HKT
Y are u inviting the insult of your own actually u helped me in that report it's clearly mentioned that ------
China's research is concentrated in the physical sciences and
technology. Materials science, chemistry and physics predominate.
Looking toward the future, rapid growth can be seen in agricultural
sciences and life sciences fields such as immunology, microbiology,
and molecular biology and genetics. again in this american collaboration is mentioned in that report US-based authors contributed to nearly 9 percent of papers from China-based institutions between 2004 and 2008.so again dont be proud of it the report u have mentioned is clearly showing there is american collaboration And also other region collaboration is involved
especially with Japan,South Korea, Singapore and Australia. thank u for posting this website now i learned china collaboration even in science paper publishment .Thank u for helping me to say this answer and better luck next time for u for a good reply to me.And there is no word mentioned about china missiles so dont divert the topic from the actual one

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sara @ November 5, 2009 01:29AM HKT
yes i will say its the copy of Soviet SS-22 medium-range ballistic missile
and in this same website i can give a proof for that
upiasia.com /Security/2009/10/01/parade_shows_chinas_long-range_strike_capability/9024/ and as u are seeing this website regularly dont say that this is also a junk website

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Coolhead @ November 5, 2009 01:01AM HKT
sara: another fact that China's research capability is much stronger than India.

reuters.com /article/pressRelease/idUS37424+02-Nov-2009+PRN20091102

"China's Research Output More Than Doubled Since 2004, Thomson Reuters Study
Reveals
Nation Stands Second Only to United States"

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Coolhead @ November 5, 2009 12:52AM HKT
sara: do you call DF-21 also a copy of something?

nypost.com /p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_china_worries_the_pentagon_KCFDJjHjqHhnJ02oPmeocO

"the land-based DF-21 ballistic missile. This system -- the world's first ballistic missile capable of hitting a moving target at sea -- could be used to take out US aircraft carriers in a Sino-American dust-up."


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slope @ November 4, 2009 11:20AM HKT
to captainJohann: don't forget, Obama is still Barak Hossein deep inside. wan't it that dumass clinton who wanted to forge "strategic ties" with china and ended up giving so much of it until americas 50%+ jobs were gone to china. he is the father of this recent recession. frickin paedophile molested monica

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slope @ November 4, 2009 11:15AM HKT
don't argue with coolhead. that fukchead is either indian slopehead or maoist peasant, if not a PAKIstinian terrorist. don't waste time with duma$$ programmed donkey brains

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sara @ November 4, 2009 09:56AM HKT
Hey coolhead u said india got more help than china and for supporting that u have posted one article see the list of countries which china got support from
BELARUS
BRAZIL
ISRAEL
JAPAN
RUSSIA
UKRAINE
UNITED KINGDOM
UNITED STATES -- Reference -- nti.org /db/china/mimport.htm
But ur link about india shows only france,germany,america And again father of ur missile program worked in america icbm program .And two american companies are fined by american court for technology transfer to china .Can u list this much foreign help for india then how can u say that india got more help than china

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Coolhead @ November 4, 2009 02:43AM HKT
schwzik wrote: "If you have posted the link [in ur response below] then I am sure that you endorse the views expressed there in".

Your logic is broken. I only endorse the part I was quoting. Even if you were right, it says "a lot of", not "all" or "none". There was no arms embargo again India before India's nuclear test. Also India has been getting help from Russia and some help from the west all the time even during the 60's and 70's when both Russia and the US were enemies of China and therefore China could not get any new help from anyone during that period. It was during that period of isolation when China tested their first nuclear bomb and launched their first satellite, decades earlier than India did.

The bottom line is: like almost all countries, both China and India got help to start from existing technologies available, and both tried to jump start by reverse engineering, but India has been less able to absorb existing technologies and develop own capabilities.

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schwzik @ November 4, 2009 12:16AM HKT
To Coolhead: If you have posted the link [in ur response below] then I am sure that you endorse the views expressed there in, and by doing so you agree to the statement in the same webfeed which says that "A lot of technology that India wanted from the West was unavailable because the West viewed India and the Soviet Union as allies". So if you believe in the foregoing, then you contradict your own statement made on November 3, 2009 10:57PM HKT where you stated that "My point is that India got even MORE help from MORE...". Dude your statements mutually contradict each other and thereby you are lacking credibility, so in future get please concentrate and focus...

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 11:39PM HKT
India did not copy much NOT because it does not want to, but because of its inability to copy. Read this Hari Sud article (2/27/2009):

upiasia.com /Security/2009/02/27/israels_military_supplies_to_india/3118/

"The DRDO’s worst failure has been its inability to reverse engineer some of its imported weapons systems. Even Pakistan with its low technology has successfully reverse engineered military hardware. China reverse engineered the highly sophisticated Russian SU-27 fighter jet."

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schwzik @ November 3, 2009 11:28PM HKT
To Coolhead: the wisconsin info is rubbish. For example it states that former President A.P.J Abdul Kalam had been to US in 1960s. This is rubbish, it is known fact that A.P.J. visited US for the first time during 2000-2004 when he was president. Indian missile story began from the basics, not from any kind of help from outside. China has been all along flouting NPT and MTCR openly, but India's record is cleaner. Just refer to any of the web pages, the number of times all the Indian missiles failed, had it been the outside help why should the missiles fail it the initial phases...common sense should rule..

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 10:57PM HKT
sara: are you educated enough to read? I already replied to you twice at November 3, 2009 12:38AM HKT and November 1, 2009 09:13AM HKT. Yes, China got some foreign help. But US also copied things from Nazi Germany, Russia copied from US. It's ridiculous to think that India re-invented missiles from scratch.

My point is that India got even MORE help from MORE countries than China, but still missile and nuclear nuclear arsenal is way ahead of India. Before you claim any bad thing against China, first ask yourself if India has the same bad thing. Read the following to see how much help India got:

wisconsinproject.org /pubs/articles/1989/indiasmissiles-dodging.htm

Agni's foreign ancestry dates from the 1960s. In November 1963, the United States began India's space program by launching a U.S. sounding rocket from Indian soil. ...The United States was followed by others. Between 1963 and 1975, more than 350 U.S., French, Soviet, and British sounding rockets were launched from India's Thumba Range,[1] which the United States helped design... [more to read]

nti.org /e_research/profiles/India/Missile/index.html

the DRDO undertook two significant projects. The first, Project Devil, was an attempt to "reverse-engineer" the Soviet SA-2 surface-to-air missile (SAM)...Although Indian engineers were UNABLE to reverse-engineer the SA-2 missile system entirely

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captainJohann @ November 3, 2009 02:40PM HKT
Hi Hari,
The Obama mindset is driven by China/Saudi arabia/US military Industrial complex axis. All the three support Pakistani army with their money and arms.All the three care two hoots for DEMOCRACY.
What is worrying is the US influence on Indian leaders recruited through WORLD BANK.

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sara @ November 3, 2009 01:39PM HKT
Finally i want to make one more point there is nothing u can be proud of ur chinese developments as i have given all the website supporting the points
the reason i have given my comments is u are so proud of ur chinese products
and claimed it like ur achievement and u critized indian missiles now u dont have rights to talk about indian missile program bcoz all ur products are copied

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sara @ November 3, 2009 01:27PM HKT
Hey coolhead y havent u referred my comments on November 2, 2009 what is the problem u have man cant u read english or what how many links i have given to show that china got support from foreign countries still u are saying it's not this shows how stupid u are but still u have not answered my questions properly
again i am giving that links
globalsecurity.org /wmd /library/report/crs/970708.htm ,
nti.org /db/china/mimport.htm ,Abovetopsecret.com , if u know how to read english dont talk again like a idiot and say china dont get any support
if u want to say the same answer dont reply to my comments

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 12:04PM HKT
spoope: Don't you know that India also steals? Ha ha... Time to go to school.

usatoday.com /news/washington/2004-09-20-spying_x.htm

The Federal Bureau of Investigation regularly updates a closely held list of the countries that threaten national security due to espionage operations. "The top five countries on that list are China, Israel, Russia, France, and North Korea. Others include Cuba, Pakistan, and INDIA," says an official close to the FBI.
The latest unclassified information — a 2000 report prepared for Congress by the National Counterintelligence Center — lists the "most active collectors" against the U.S. as China, Japan, Israel, France, Korea, Taiwan, and INDIA.

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slope @ November 3, 2009 11:20AM HKT
CIA is full of boloney but expert in concocting. It was CIA, who told America and the world that Saddam Hossein had WMDs. so fukchead, take the CIAs finding and shove it up ..... :-)

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slope @ November 3, 2009 11:16AM HKT
cooliehead!!!! lemme change your avatar to Fukchead instead :-). this article should open yours as well as SPIK Luigi's (Louis) eyes and you will agree that Hari Sud always hits the nail on the head (not on the slopeheads)
I can give ya all the sites to support my "declaration" that china is nothin' more than the third world
Why China Has to Steal Technology
hnn.us/articles/11405.html

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 10:45AM HKT
HariSud,

According to CIA world factbook:

China's total GDP $4.402 trillion (2008), $7.973 trillion (2008 PPP)

Even if CIA has not made any correction as you suggested, let's just do what you said and take 30% off, that will leave it at

$3.08 trillion (2008), $5.58 trillion (2008 PPP)

That will still make FDI look like peanuts.
Whether the $586 billion is old or new money is not the point, the point is that China's own investment (old or new) over the past 17 years is a lot bigger than FDI.

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HariSud @ November 3, 2009 06:08AM HKT

Coolhead

Chinese economy will be the number you quote in ten years in nominal terms. It is PPP number you are quoting, which is again about 20 to 30% wrong because of sub-standard data gathering. The forgoing has been dealt with in details by economists who studied creation of national statistics.

The stimulus package you quote is not new money. Unlike US stimulus package which is new money, Chinese bundled together all the monies and related activities which would have happened as everyday life and called it stimulus package.


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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 03:03AM HKT
HariSud,

I was replying to sara about foreign help for missile building, not for general economy. You are right that the large FDI helped China, but it also shows China's strength in attracting FDI. Meantime, China's own investment in its own economy over the past 17 years are much more than the FDI. Its stimulus package alone this year was $586 billion.

Cheers

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 02:41AM HKT
HariSud,

Compared to China's $4.32 trillion GDP in one year alone (2008), $800 billion spread out over almost 17 years are just peanuts. It is ridiculous to say that Chinese cities are built with that particular small pile of FDI money. Of course FDI helps Chinese economy, but why do foreign investors pour money into China? Not because China forced them to, but because China is very attractive to foreign investors. How come India is not able to attract that much FDI? You are so jealous that you wrote your Sept. article "Foreign investment flooding to India" to play up FDI to India.

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HariSud @ November 3, 2009 01:38AM HKT

I hate to deviate from the subject but:

This message for Coolhead for his post of Nov 3:

China received US help totalling more than $800 billion from 1992 onwards in form of Foreign Direct Investment. It is still coimng. The spanking good look in Chinese city is built with that money.

The flip side of Foreign Direct Investment is that about an equivalent amount has to be left in US and European banks as security. The two trillion Chinese reserves are security.

That was part of US-China trade agreement struck during President Reagan era.

So when you talk of help do not forget Foreign Direct Investment.


P.S. : India received about one eighth of the amount which China got since 1992.


Cheers


Hari


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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 12:54AM HKT
spoope: don't you know that India is buying lots of stuff from China and cannot get enough? So who are stupid you say? Ha ha ha...You just keep begging for insults. Due to your lack of facts to debate, you can only resort to nasty personal attacks. Is that why you keep imaging who I am and move me around the world? You are pathetic. Go buy a Chinese-made AC, if you can afford it and has power in your slum.

online.wsj.com /article/SB125651921457707269.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

"China is now India's largest trade partner, but India's trade deficit is widening amid a surge in Chinese imports."

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Coolhead @ November 3, 2009 12:38AM HKT
sara: don't you see my comments at November 1, 2009 09:13AM HKT showing how much help India got from multiple countries. China never got that much help from so many other countries, but still way ahead of India.

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slope @ November 2, 2009 09:26PM HKT
hey coolie head: China pushes fake "Indian" drugs in Africa (domain-b.co m/industry/pharma/20090610_china_fake_drugs.html). only a stupid will buy china crap. food made in chine always has mixed anti-freeze, which is probably the "icing" for them slopeheads. toys made with lead and other toxic crap in it. so you think that commie chinese are brilliant. ha ha ha. you are one pathetic immigrant who wants to live in north america but not china. duma$$ :-)

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sara @ November 2, 2009 03:47PM HKT
The fact about Qian Xuesen is he may or may not be a spy but he was trained in america and worked in TITAN ICBM project and then he went to china and he is the father of chinese missiles y u are not talking about these Facts instead u are arguing whether he is a spy or not can u show some documents supporting that Qian Xuesen is not trained in america

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sara @ November 2, 2009 03:43PM HKT
Cool head dont say like whatever the links you are giving is correct and whatever i am giving is wrong u and me are not FBI to check for the availablity of documents in America regarding Qian Xuesen u and me are posting from the website And Abovetopsecret.com and C-span report is not junk Any hothead idiot can say that as a junk see the following links also about foreign
assistance in china missiles globalsecurity.org /wmd /library/report/crs/97-0708.htm ,nti.org /db/china/mimport.htm and now dont talk like idiot and try to counter ur point by saying this website is junk Just give a proper answer for the article and still u have not talked about the companies and basics of china missiles and still u are only talking about Qian Xuesen .This shows u dont have any point to talk about waht is present in the website

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 11:27AM HKT
How come the "smart" Indians have to buy swine flu vaccines from China, according to Hindustan Times?

hindustantimes.com /News/world/India-banks-on-Chinese-H1N1-vaccine/Article1-467391.aspx

India banks on Chinese H1N1 vaccine

“We have received a long list of requests for this vaccine from the world over, including India,” Helen Yang, head of investor relations at Sinovac Biotech, told HT. “We’ve also received requests from several India pharma companies to work with us.”


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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 11:00AM HKT
spoope: these articles are about US-India-China. I don't know why you keep talking about Pakistan, which I know little about and therefore never talk about. You have all my sympathy for not being able to afford an air conditioner (no power to run, anyway) to cool down your over-proud under-educated hothead.

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 10:59AM HKT
spoope: there articles are about US-India-China. I don't know why you keep talking about Pakistan, which I know little about and therefore never talk about. I have all my sympathy for not be able to afford an air conditioner (no power to run, anyway) to cool down your over-proud under-educated hothead.

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 10:53AM HKT
sara: just more info to show how pathetic you are using distorted information about Qian Xuesen, one of the founders . According to LA Times:

latimes.com /news/nationworld/nation/la-me-qian-xuesen1-2009nov01,0,2865408.story

"Few can agree on the question of whether Qian was a spy. An examination of the papers Qian packed away failed to turn up any classified documents. Colleagues at Caltech firmly stood behind him, and he continued to do research there after he lost his security clearance. In fact, the university gave him its distinguished alumni award in 1979 in recognition of his pioneering work in rocket science. 'It was the stupidest thing this country ever did,' former Navy Secretary Dan Kimball later said, according to Aviation Week. "He was no more a Communist than I was, and we forced him to go.'"

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HumanRights @ November 2, 2009 10:04AM HKT
Who will do business with the North Indians who have a slumdog and sakkili mentality?

How can Indians expect support from the US when India has voted against UN Human Rights Investigation of alleged war crimes in Sri Lanka and the US was supporting a democratic process and justice for the victims? India made history by showing their dark side to the civilized world and this will haunt Indians for ever.

Pakistanis and Chinese can be trusted but not North Indians. That's why US is doing business with them.

India should be divided into small states based on language and should be excluded in global issues until the world see the end of political corruption, political violence, law and order and uncivilized acts.

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 05:47AM HKT
Trade statistics, especially the US export data I posted earlier, clearly show how unimportant India is to US and how important China is to US.

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 05:45AM HKT
spoope: funny that you wasted so much breath imagining me as Pakistani just because my English is good. What if I am American, or Australian, or Canadian, or New Zealander, or Irish, or Singaporean, ...?

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 05:36AM HKT
How many Indians have air con, anyway? Even Chinese rural households have more AC than all India, even though Indian climate is a lot hotter than China. No wonder there are so many hotheads there. According to NYTimes:

query.nytimes.com /gst/fullpage.html?res=9804EFDD103EF930A15751C0A9619C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

"slightly over 2 percent of Indian households currently have air-conditioners,...In China, ownership soared to 87.2 air-conditioners per 100 urban households in September, from 24.4 seven years earlier. The countryside, home to two-thirds of the nation's population, is poised for even greater growth. In 2005, there were 6.4 air-conditioners per 100 rural households"

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Jatt @ November 2, 2009 05:12AM HKT
love it louis

"I went to New Delhi, I felt your country is really very influential on me that almost every day there were blackout that turn my world hopelessly into darkness, can not run air corn, no computer... It can really turn my world hell, really, the most powerful and scaring country ever met, big salute to you."

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Jatt @ November 2, 2009 05:09AM HKT
Obama understands that 80% of Indians live on less than $2 a day hence there is no market for U.S. goods and services.

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Coolhead @ November 2, 2009 05:07AM HKT
sara: all your links are some anonymous postings on the Web. Any hothead idiot can post such junk. My links are all from reputable publications and authors. You are pathetic. Read the following from India media (not some anonymous posting). Are you gonna make up another story that DF-31A and JL-2 are copies of something? Oh, India does not even have any submarine-launched ballistic missiles yet.

economictimes.indiatimes.com /news/politics/nation/India-surprised-by-Chinese-fuss-over-Agni-V/articleshow/5133042.cms

"the 5,000-km strike range of Agni-V pales in comparison to already-operational Chinese missiles like Dong Feng-31A, which can hit targets 11,200 km away, or even the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile with a reach beyond 7,200 km. 'China's missile and nuclear arsenal is leagues ahead of India, capable as it is of hitting any city in India. We can never compete. Our entire focus is on building only credible minimum deterrence against China, not active offensive capabilities,' said the official."

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Jatt @ November 2, 2009 05:07AM HKT
India’s 300 million-strong middle class earn less than $5000 dollars per household, half of mexico per capita income.

United States cannot but half of its consumer and industrial goods from India, because India tiny 100-150 billion dollar industrial base cannot supply it (only china 1-1.5 trillion dollar industrial base can), and India cannot expand its industrial base due to epic beyond third world level infrastructure (china better than first world infrastructure is ready expand industrial base to capture and supply exclusively every nation on earths market)

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slope @ November 2, 2009 02:31AM HKT
Sara, don't waste your breath on this stupendous cooliehead. he is a PAKIstinian, kissin' his china master's a$$ always as usual. its quite a shift for the international beggar nation of PAKIstan, changin' masters (from USA to Commie China). He knows that he has nothin' to brag about that land of idiot mullahs who have turned that country in to ... all roads of terrorism lead to PAKIstan (Madeline Albright). Interesting, China being the Corporate office of terrorism and savagery.

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sara @ November 2, 2009 01:20AM HKT
Coolhead how can u claim my info is false and when i am talking about missile
y are u talking about supercomputer U said india was not able to reverse engineer that's y we adopted our own development and developed upto Agni-3
and y are u adding to ur insult all ur aircrafts are copycat and MBT is also copycat the reference are
abovetopsecret.com /forum/thread84797/pg1 in this website u search about ur MBT also and y u have not talked about the companies i mentioned which is fined by U.S court for technology transfer and who said it's lie
Qian Xuesen was mentioned clearly in the reports the reference is
christusrex.org /www2/china/Missiles/page1.hxxl and there is no need for me to say lie

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slope @ November 1, 2009 09:57PM HKT
cooliehead: check out the beginning of your china maters' fate.
Gobal uncertainties lay ahead for China
feeds.bignewsnetwork.c om/?sid=560598
I will post few more later in response to your earlier irrelevant posts

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 11:41AM HKT
sara: another lie of yours - Qian Xuesen was never a spy.

aviationweek.com /aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&id=news/POY01048.xml

"With McCarthyism in full bloom, the scientist was deported on dubious charges of being a Communist. That man is Qian Xuesen. "

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 10:50AM HKT
spoope: some education about Chinese missiles. Note that this was written over 2 years ago, therefore today Chinese missiles are probably even more accurate.

minnickarticles.blogspot.com /2009/09/china-improves-missile-accuracy-with.html

"China Improves Missile Accuracy With Satellite Guidance"

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 10:42AM HKT
spoope: Why do you keep asking for insult? I hate to tell these:

fas.org /nuke/guide/india/missile/prithvi.htm
"The Indian army is reluctant to incorporate the Prithvi-I into its practices largely because of its lack of precision and the difficulties associated with its liquid fuel."

atimes.com /atimes/South_Asia/KA23Df02.html
"Although over 20 successful tests of the BrahMos - which can travel at a speed of Mach 2.8 - have already been conducted by India, it does seem that the attempts to add nuclear teeth, control and precision capabilities to the missile have gone awry for now. "


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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 09:53AM HKT

sara wrote: "copy of Russian MAZ543 missile"

sara:

MAZ-543 is a truck (mobile missile launcher), NOT missile per se. Your are such a joke.
en.wikipedia.org /wiki/MAZ-543

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 09:35AM HKT
Sara:
Everyone knows that the USSR and China broke up and became enemies in the late 50's. The Soviet aid to Chinese missile program had been cut off since then. How could China copy so many Soviet missiles from its enemy when even the US could not get much Soviet missile secret? You are a big liar unless you can show some independent information to prove it like I did about how India gets its technology from other countries.

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 09:13AM HKT
sara: even with all the foreign help, Indian missiles still have much shorter range and only single war head, compared to Chinese missiles.

wisconsinproject.org /pubs/articles/1989/indiasmissiles-dodging.htm

Agni's foreign ancestry dates from the 1960s. In November 1963, the United States began India's space program by launching a U.S. sounding rocket from Indian soil. (Sounding rockets fly straight up into the atmosphere to conduct scientific experiments. They are too small to launch satellites.) The United States was followed by others. Between 1963 and 1975, more than 350 U.S., French, Soviet, and British sounding rockets were launched from India's Thumba Range,[1] which the United States helped design...

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 08:59AM HKT

sara: India tried , but was unable to even reverse-engineer.

nti.org /e_research/profiles/India/Missile/index.html

Phase II of India's missile program spans the decade of the 1970s. During this period, the DRDO undertook two significant projects. The first, Project Devil, was an attempt to "reverse-engineer" the Soviet SA-2 surface-to-air missile (SAM)...Project Devil, however, proved to be a partial success. Although Indian engineers were unable to reverse-engineer the SA-2 missile system entirely

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Coolhead @ November 1, 2009 07:55AM HKT
sara: most of your information is false. Why don't you provide some links to back up your claim? Speaking of IT, who can make supercomputer?

top500.org /list/2009/06/100

In the June 2009 TOP500, the fastest supercomputer made by a Chinese company is ranked at #15 in the world. But there is no Indian-made supercomputer at all. (#18 is located in India, but made by the American company HP.) In the new Nov. 2009 TOP500 list (coming in the next a few weeks), there will be an even faster Chinese supercomputer:
hpcwire.com /blogs/China-Joins-Petaflop-Club-67358662.html?ref=662


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wynde @ November 1, 2009 12:24AM HKT
The world,at this moment in time,is in Perfect Geopolitical Equilibrium.
This equilibrium has been achieved by the presence of US-NATO military in Iraq and Afghanistan and the omnipresence of terrorism.

PGE is not predicated on weaponry,as all protagonists are fairly evenly matched,with the exception of the overwhelming US superiority.The Seventh Fleet,for example,could destroy Japan or Korea or China or all three but i'm afraid that would be the last of the Seventh Fleet.......and God knows what else.

Leave it to the purfeyors of sleeze.......our trusted politions.In their imperfect way they will manage the next Hitler or Stalin or even Harry Truman who actually used the bomb.

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slope @ October 31, 2009 10:00PM HKT
coolie the wise man. nuke 123 is not some dong feng, ying yang or ding dong missiles. its nuclear energy agreement between usa and india. however, speaking about china nuke "suds" based on 50's technology they will prove to be like their "chang'e 1", the "misguided" moon satellite which missed its target by half a million miles.

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slope @ October 31, 2009 09:52PM HKT
Don Porto Luigi del Louis, El Spik :-). Do you know what Oreo cookie is? its chocolaty from the out side but white (dutch/english descendants ha ha ha ha) from the inside. I am sure you were easily visible in new Delhi with your half and half "ethnicity".

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slope @ October 31, 2009 09:44PM HKT
cooliehead!!! you are an unintelligent man who wants to avoid his own country PAKIstan in any debates but continue a rant about another country which is simply donating you guys "terror machines" and that is not going to salvage PAKIstan outta its mess. China doctors every sh!t it can talk about. economy, its military, its wealth, its scientific development, its bio and nano technolgy "wonders". In short, in no way it can achieve anything better than third worlders. However, you will NEVER know its 800 million poverty stricken masses cuz it will never talk about them. But for PAKIstani masses, they, in my guess are still better off that they don't portray a country "with beggin' bowl". Did you not see the HUGE dark spot on the northwest of India? that was your land of birth "PAKIstan". some call it porkystan, talibanistan, terroristan or whatever, they all share the Commie Ideology, TERRORISM. I hope you did not miss out Sara's post about china's weapon developing abilities.

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Louis_ @ October 31, 2009 08:43PM HKT
sloping, you never ascended, yet you already sloped like your country.

Ya, agree that your country is very influential, at least decisively influential to 1.1 billions people like you that no electricity for you, dirty tape water if you are few lucky enough to have one...

I went to New Delhi, I felt your country is really very influential on me that almost every day there were blackout that turn my world hopelessly into darkness, can not run air corn, no computer... It can really turn my world hell, really, the most powerful and scaring country ever met, big salute to you.

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sara @ October 31, 2009 05:43PM HKT
Hey coolhead are u talking about china missiles see how ur great country has developed ur missiles
DF-1 --- copy Soviet R-2(SS-2) SIBLING missile
DF-2 --- copy Soviet R-5 (SS-3) SHYSTER
DF-21 --- copy of Russian MAZ543 missile
DF-21C -- copy of Soviet SS-22 medium-range ballistic missile

Two US companies, Loral and Huges Inc were fined by US courts
For supplying long range missile technology to the Chinese in 1996

Qian Xuesen was a Chinese citizen trained in
the United States and who worked Titan ICBM program. After spying
for the PRC in the 1950s, Qian was permitted to return to the PRC,
he is the "father" of the PRC's ballistic missile and space programs. who is the chief project manager in all of the PRC's ballistic missile programs,
and was the lead designer of the CSS-4 or DF-5 . So dont be proud of your Countries copied missile program.And Making cheap products is not a difficult task doing IT products is difficult so dont be proud of your cheap products
and india is ahead of china in IT Field

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Coolhead @ October 31, 2009 12:27PM HKT
spoope: such a lighting image means prosperity? Is that how much you know? Don't skip school. Since you asked for the "insulting" facts, I will give you some free education again:
seekingalpha.com /article/81759-how-does-india-s-energy-consumption-compare-to-china-s
Electricity Consumption in China: 2.859 trillion kWh
Electricity Consumption in India: 0.489 trillion kWh

outlookindia.com /article.aspx?234486

Indian firms lose 9% output due to power shortage. In China and Malaysia this figure is 2%. Also, power costs 74% more in India than Malaysia and 39% more than in China.

(oh, did you also learn from it that China's population is not 1.5 billion?) What? India is still working on its nuke123? China has had them long before you were even born, bigger and more, on better missiles.

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slope @ October 31, 2009 10:10AM HKT
hey cooliehead, what does your china master call 'pakee'stinians?
poodle, chow chow or shit'zu. whatever you are but take a look at this pic and compare it with your master's land. (warwickhughes.c om/climate/liteglob.gif). the satellite tells the truth of prosperity. once India gets its nuke123 going, it will look like one of the brightest spot on the globe like few countries. compare china with respect to its land mass and over 1.5 billion people. did you not hear what Hillary had to say about you 'pakee'stinian chow chows? boy! beggin' is a tough job in these harsh times
:-) :-) :-) :-)

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Coolhead @ October 31, 2009 03:11AM HKT
"Without India as a bulwark, the chances for U.S. policy to succeed in Asia are limited. It may well have to vacate the South China Sea and the Korean peninsula."

U.S. policy has been successful in Aisa for decades without India during the cold war and the 90's. As for the South China Sea and the Korean peninsula, give me a break, India has almost zero influence in those two places while China has major influence there.

"China is all about exports...India’s 300 million-strong middle class can buy everything the United States has to offer."

census.gov /foreign-trade/balance/index.html
US government data shows that in 2008,
Total US export to China: $69.7 billion
to India: $17.7 billion
Give me a break again, China buys almost 4 times what India buys from US. Yes, China exports even more because India is not capable to even make those "cheap" products that US consumers like to buy so much (since no one force them to buy).
I can predict that "slope" will get mad and start to spit animal waste again. See his poopsting above? Oh, that stench.. Ha,ha,ha...

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slope @ October 31, 2009 12:33AM HKT
It's the dock worker, porto spicky Luigi again. "ha, ha,"

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Louis_ @ October 30, 2009 11:22PM HKT
As usual, Hari Sud is very humour and talks a little bit too big on some figures, ha, ha,









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