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2009 a banner year for China quirks

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Toronto, ON, Canada, — China showcased its economy in 2009 by beating the economic and financial meltdown that overtook the West. Its gross national product managed to grow at around 7 to 9 percent – although this figure is questionable.

Yearend laurels for China’s performance from friendly media in the West abounded in recent weeks. While the Chinese are enjoying the praise, they are cleverly suppressing news about factory closures, economic riots and workers being sent back to their home provinces in 2009.

But China did something worse at the climate change summit in Copenhagen last month. To garner sympathy it branded itself a developing country in the same class as India, Brazil and South Africa.

The Chinese also fiercely opposed any international monitoring of their carbon dioxide emissions data. This can be understood to mean that China’s economic and carbon dioxide emission statistics for the past 25 years were a hoax. With outlandish claims, the country is about to announce that it is the second or third largest economy in the world.

Disallowing outsiders to collect any data in China is basically admitting that their own statistics are below par. China strictly controls the preparation and distribution of economic data. It is well known that Chinese statistics have been faulty for the past 25 years.

Even the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund have fallen victim to this ruse. This is because there is only one source of data in China, the official statistics. If there are deliberate falsifications in the data it is not their fault.

Still, China definitely had something to show in 2009. The Chinese deposited an additional US$300 billion in the U.S. banking system, mainly their export earnings. Now the United States can spend the money to get out of recession.

The Chinese beat the recession by offering a US$581 billion stimulus package, none of which was new money, but funds already planned for development. Their banks lent close to US$1.4 trillion to the country’s failing industries, real estate and other state corporations in 2009. If the loans go bad, which they will, China will have another Dubai on their hand.

And the Chinese built the world’s fastest train – another showpiece for 2009. They were also praised for the architecture of their Olympics Stadium in 2008. Years earlier they were praised for the Three Gorges Dam, a massive undertaking but built in an earthquake-prone zone. An earthquake could cause 50 million causalities should the dam burst.

While showcasing its remarkable achievements, China still claimed to be a developing nation at Copenhagen. The Copenhagen summit revealed what angry analysts in the West can come up with. When the Chinese refused to make concessions, the Western media was suddenly full of reports as to how polluted China is.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s failed visit to Beijing was another feather in the Chinese cap. He went hoping to reset and balance economic relations, but did not succeed. The Chinese did not agree to change and reset the yuan-dollar relationship, which is the main engine of China’s growth. Nor did they agree buy more American goods. After all, it is the United States that needs China’s money. All that China continues to buy are light industrial goods, all duty free.

Obama also failed even to get assurances from the Chinese that in next 10 years U.S.-China trade would be balanced. The visit should not have taken place, as with trouble in the U.S. economy at home, Obama had nothing to showcase.

Last year was also a banner year for China striking major international business deals. Although two large deals totaling US$20 billion and US$3 billion with Rio Tinto and Coca Cola failed, PetroChina together with its offshore oil company are close to acquiring a US$15 billion Argentinean oil company. Other oil deals in South America, Africa and Central Asia have either been successfully closed or are in the process of being completed.

Presently, the Chinese are aggressive in acquiring oil assets abroad, even looking into the India-Pakistan-Iran gas deal. Can you imagine piping gas economically some 8,000 kilometers away? Only the Chinese can think like that.

Closer to home, they strongly objected to the Dalai Lama’s trip to his birthplace in India’s Arunachal Pradesh state. They even persuaded Obama not to meet him in the White House during his trip to the United States. All previous U.S. presidents since the days of President Richard Nixon have invited the Dalai Lama to the White House.

China is also cozying up with Myanmar with military supplies to grab as much of its gas and oil as possible. But deals may be short-lived as the Myanmar junta has begun to cozy up with the West. Also, India has signed a deal to develop a river navigation system on a common river between India and Myanmar. This does not sit well with China. However, it appears that Myanmar’s ageing leadership that signed most deals with China may be relenting to pique the West.

On the social and educational front, the Chinese have predicted that they will have command over the English language by 2010. English is the language of international business and the Chinese need to master it quickly. Their timeframe is based on hiring a large number of foreign teachers on short-term temporary basis. They fail to understand that a new language cannot be mastered in a jiffy. But the Mandarins in Beijing are after statistics to show the results of their campaign.

Chinese cities in the last ten years have been transformed, and their unique political system can be credited for this. But citizens have no choice if a Communist Party directive tells them to vacate a particular piece of land or location to make room for a high-rise office or commercial building. Failure to obey can bring severe punishment.

Then, within months, a construction crew transforms the landscape. It is true that displaced people are looked after. But it is not their choice where they wish to live and work. It is the Mandarins in Beijing that determine that. If this formula were tried elsewhere the political landscape would surely change.

The United States is to be blamed for allowing China to expand its influence outside of its own territory. Now it is uncontrollable. Chinese money and cheap goods have hooked the West, especially the United States.

The only way out for the United States is to unhook itself from China’s money stream, after which it can talk about balancing U.S.-China trade. This may involve forcing the Chinese into a new dollar-yuan relationship. Failing that, the only choice would be countervailing import duties.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)



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gunasekar @ January 16, 2010 11:02PM HKT
what is china's genuine home made products that they export?? dont talk about bridgestone, dell, sony because that is not chinese..... when we minus foreign factory output in china, chinese end up with very less....

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harisuck @ January 15, 2010 11:55PM HKT
gunsekar and slope

keep on posting individual incidents in China doesn't change a fact. This kind of things happen all over the world except the most advance countries. China is a poor 3rd world country just like India.
But for the bigger picture, can you show me where India rank in the top 50 in terms of import/export $ and its GDP ranking. Is India even in the top 50?

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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 10:43PM HKT
wow...... the building collapsed in china.... maybe they can live in it horizontally instead of vertically...... hahahahah..... check the link given by slope, louis....

h ttp://w ww.chinadaily.co m.cn/china/09tentopnews/2009-12/21/content_9200900_4.htm




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slope @ January 15, 2010 09:59PM HKT
the pakis can be compared to the dog race. faithful to their masters. the list of their masters: 1st it was arab camels, then the englishman, then the garingo and now chinese. they will always bark on china's behalf to keep their masters pleased and get a bone of "pig" as a reward. the constant rant of chnadersuck (formerly harisuck/coolihead) and that paki coon mahoon luis/nazree, the pork lover are perfect examples here.
for all of you readers, check out the copy cators chinese' engineering marvel. most of their modern weapons will also give similar results, most to the paki users.
h ttp://w ww.chinadaily.co m.cn/china/09tentopnews/2009-12/21/content_9200900_4.htm

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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 12:13PM HKT


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Pakistan had ceded some Jammu and Kashmir territory to China in exchange for nuclear and missile technologies
Sudir Chadda
Jan. 13, 2010

China did not become the best friend of Pakistan for free. Pakistam got its nuclear bombs and missiles from China in exchange of gifting illegally occupied Indian land of Jammu and Kashmir to China.

Pakistan had ceded some territory to China in 1963. At an India-Pakistan peace conference here on Monday, People’s Conference Chairman Sajjad Gani Lone had accused Islamabad of gifting Kashmiri territory under its occupation to China.

Pakistan's nuclear and missile technology program started with the Chinese technologies provided to Islamabad in exchange of Kashmiri land ceded to communist China.

One always wonders how North Korea and Pakistan got missile technology without a strong space research program. Now you know how China illegally gave it to Pakistan in exchange of 750 square miles of Kashmiri land that belongs to India.

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harisuck @ January 15, 2010 11:19AM HKT
The Indian media just know no shame. Of course India has its secret missile program. Its known as the death star program. Able to go at warp speed and destroy a planet.
But then again, one thing India media is good at is boasting. Do you think if India has a secret missile project, would they reveal it to its own media?

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harisuck @ January 15, 2010 11:16AM HKT
Why is Indian media talking about Chinese ABM testing if this ABM was directed at US selling weapon to Taiwan. Also, this missile is mid course, means that its purpose is to shoot down ICBMs. India has no ICBMs, so India has no need to worry about this missile

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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 11:04AM HKT
The recent ABM test in China was closely followed by Indian top military space scientists. It actually exposed China's weakness and vulnerability. It also brought smiles among the Indian scientists and engineers because if this is what Chinese could perform to scare the Americans, then China has really to worry about Indian capabilities. India has two sets of program. One is open and the other is secret. The open specs are far behind the real specs. The open program boasts Prithvi Air Defense anti-ballistic missile interceptor. Last year, India showed the world how Prithvi Air Defense anti-ballistic missile interceptor achieved all the mission objectives. The two-stage interceptor missile fitted with advanced systems hit the target enemy missile at 75 kilometers (47 miles) altitude. But India does not talk about its secret program that far exceeds Prthvi's capabilities.

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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 11:04AM HKT
India secretly counters Chinese successful Anti Ballistsic Missile test

Jan. 13, 2010

Indian defense research organizations are smiling with ease as Pravda announces that Americans are now scared of recent Chinese ABM test. Pakistan wants Chinese missile defense by 2012. But Islamabad does not know what waits its fate.

According to Pravda, China performed a successful launch of an ABM interceptor missile. The test became an important link in the creation of the nation’s missile defense system, news agencies reported January 11. Pravda further says, it was a Chinese act to scare the Americans and the Government of Taiwan.

According to souurces close to Indian military defense reserach institute (it is no longer DRDO at Pune, the secret advanced organization is fully classified), India is ahead of Chinese missile technologies in stealth, target precision management, and algorithmic evasion.


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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 07:43AM HKT
answer this...

schwzik @ January 14, 2010 11:54PM HKT
Hey louii...what's GDP got to do here..!! and please answer my question on previous columns. If you remember my question on the the KTV song matter and china's great leap forward and antibiotics availability, why people need to go to beijing for treatments etc etc...

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gunasekar @ January 15, 2010 07:42AM HKT
answer this.....

Jiang @ December 28, 2009 11:40PM HKT

To Nazree and Suyogya, spare the Indians as atleast they have a media which has freedom to report about anybody, unlike Pakistan and China where people read or see on TV what the govt/military wants people to see. I think beinga slave is much better than puppets, to what ever govt says. I'm from China and live in US.

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slope @ January 14, 2010 10:42PM HKT
Harisuck (cooliehead) and Coon Mahoon luigi. we all know you are Paki moslems not chinese. why don't you brag of about your wasted PAKIland instead? too ashamed of your identity that the world hates you everywhere including George W Bush, who called you PAKIs on TV. even your islamic ummah prefers to stay away from you pakis and bangledesh moslems. you may try to rewrite your history but the world knows that you are the descendants of those hindus who were too chicken shit to fight moslems and accepted that islamic terrorism instead. what makes you half breed is that they cross bred with them eagle nosed camels, your arab masters.
Remember, china is a developing nation (3rd world) and you pakis can lick their yellow asses, but they will never accept you as their own. did you know that your fathers did the same to the Americans and what happened? Today, Americans are raping your country from left and right. your chinamen can not even dream to come to your aid. only stupids like pakis will admire other's countries because you have the identity crisis.

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slope @ January 14, 2010 10:17PM HKT
luis, the 'COON MAHOON' from PAKIstan, a terrorist jihadi joe, I have a list of china slums. can you tell me where I can find your mama PAKI boy?
htt p://english.peopledaily.co m.cn/200509/09/eng20050909_207472.html
h ttp://ww w.lausanneworldpulse.c om/urban.php/977/07-2008
htt p://neweconomist.blogs.co m/new_economist/2007/06/migrant_china.html
ht tp://ww w.flickr.co m/photos/ryanjpyle/4111764098/
h ttp://ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=VbWCxlpKBSk&feature=related
ht tp://observers.france24.c om/en/content/20091218-beijing-graduates-packed-intellectuals-slums-ants
h ttp://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.c om/bloggingbeijing/2008/02/
and please post a link with your ID, tough chicken


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slope @ January 14, 2010 10:11PM HKT
why did harisuck change his avatar from cooliehead?

he struck a deal with Hari Sud, give Hari a blow job (suck him off) in return for 'harisuck' user name.

Well!

give me a PAKI blow job and I will call ya 'chandersuck'.

PAKIs are good at that. givin' everyone a blow job. the garingos, the chinamen, the arabs ooooops I mean camels and so on

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gunasekar @ January 14, 2010 10:06PM HKT
answer this....ppl waiting...

schwzik @ January 11, 2010 11:01PM HKT
Hello Louii..you read the below and please explain the KTV song list..Ok..
Then for others, I would like to tell that I spent more time in China than any other place since 2004..and I been to almost all the port cities...and I know this very well that there are so many number of brothels in those cities...operating under many parlour names like 'foot massage', 'sauna centre','happy home' etc etc.....as there is no porn website accessible in China. Indian cities don't have these kind of so called parlours...


Hello Louii...how is google's news linked to this topic??? plz explain.
And last time I visited china, china govt banned some songs in KTV bars. For other people, let me explain that KTV is a chain of Karaoke bars across china where people drink and sing songs and request for songs etc, now China Govt has come out with a list of songs that can ONLY be played in KTV bars...what the hell??? chinamen cannot even sing what comes out of their heart....i mean chinamen can only sing those songs which Govt likes them to sing..how sick???...I mean c'mon man Louii..how do you explain that...

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harisuck @ January 14, 2010 02:04PM HKT
We all know that China export cheap product to the west. But at least its exporting. India export almost nothing compare to China so unless India's technology and product is more advance than China's you shouldn't be putting China down.

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gunasekar @ January 14, 2010 01:13PM HKT
i wonder why harisucker, louis, humanrights dont even dare to go read and comment in 'Tainted milk powder reappears in China' and 'China’s “special color”'............


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harisuck @ January 14, 2010 12:58PM HKT
gunasekar

You need to get your facts straight. Such as your comment that India has tested ABM technology that is similar to what China did a few days ago shows that you fail to look at facts properly. So on whatever topic you look at, make sure you get the facts straight.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 10:43PM HKT


Okay, okay...

India number one

China number four or five,

Both need improvement on this....


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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 10:37PM HKT
Shocked by the surfacing of fake Chinese medicines with 'Made in India' logo in Africa, the Indian government has asked its missions in the region to step up vigil for protecting the nation's image and market.

Taking serious note of the action by unscrupulous elements to malign Indian generic pharma industry, Embassy of India, Beijing, has been requested to lodge a strong protest with concerned Chinese authorities and also to impress upon them to take stringent action against such unscrupulous elements," said a commerce ministry statement.

India has also raised the issue with China. Although China has assured of investigations in the matter, Indian authorities have not been given any time frame.

A consignment of fake drugs from China was confiscated at the Chennai port recently. Several Indian agents collude with the Chinese to engage in this trade.

China has a booming unregulated pharmaceutical industry, with many illegal manufacturers of spurious drugs.

In 2006, nearly 100 people in Panama died after consuming a toxic cough syrup that originated from China.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 09:52PM HKT
guna, how your rat taste? Cow urine milk nice ?

India number One !!!!

A recent World Health Organization (WHO) report suggests that India is responsible for about 35 % of the world's production of counterfeit medicines. One in every four medicines sold in India is fake, it says.

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 08:53PM HKT
Beijing, China — More than 16 months have passed since China’s tainted milk powder scandal swept the country. But now the problem has reappeared. Melamine, a dangerous chemical addictive, has again been discovered in milk products.

Citizens were shocked by state media reports that excessive amounts of melamine had been found in a milk formula for the elderly produced by a dairy company in Shanghai called Shanghai Panda.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 05:06PM HKT

have had your curry Rat with a class of cow urine milk tea...

Now...explain the live concerning issue...by heartless Indians....

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 05:03PM HKT

Our lives are precious, Indians....commit no low class mass murder...

"Profiting from spurious drugs that might harm or kill innocent people is equivalent to mass murder," said Mrs Swaraj, after receiving an interim report from the committee. Testing of drug samples by state government inspectors last year showed that 9% of samples were poor quality drugs and that fake medicines made up 0.3 % of the samples.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 05:02PM HKT
go Die with your fake drugs....

India to introduce death penalty for peddling fake drugs
New Delhi Ganapati Mudur

India plans to introduce the death penalty for the sale and manufacture of fake and counterfeit medicines that cause grievous harm. The move follows widespread concern that existing regulations pose little deterrence to unscrupulous drug vendors.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 05:01PM HKT
We want our lives....pls...Indian.....

Fake medicine unit unearthed
KOLKATA: The owner of an illegal drug manufacturing outfit was arrested during a raid, in which cartons of banned veterinary medicines were recovered from Tentulberia in Sonarpur under South 24 Parganas on Saturday.
According to DC (central) Zulfiquar Hasan, Sushil Agarwal, owner of the unit, has been remanded to police custody till January 21.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 04:59PM HKT
unscrupulous Indian, no heart...

Fake medicines are everywhere
On a daily basis, many unknowingly risk death
A recent World Health Organization (WHO) report suggests that India is responsible for about 35 % of the world's production of counterfeit medicines. One in every four medicines sold in India is fake, it says.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 04:57PM HKT
Where is your HEART, Indian????

Dealers of Death: Sale of Fake Medicines biggest concern in India

Medicines save our lives. Can you ever imagine of taking fake medicines under any circumstances? Never, no one on this earth will take a chance with their lives. However, you want or not, many drug dealers in India sell the fake medicines without your knowledge. If you are buying medicines from an Indian medicine store, beware! Your life may be at risk.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 04:57PM HKT
Where is your HEART, Indian????

Dealers of Death: Sale of Fake Medicines biggest concern in India

Medicines save our lives. Can you ever imagine of taking fake medicines under any circumstances? Never, no one on this earth will take a chance with their lives. However, you want or not, many drug dealers in India sell the fake medicines without your knowledge. If you are buying medicines from an Indian medicine store, beware! Your life may be at risk.

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 04:34PM HKT
schwzik @ January 11, 2010 11:01PM HKT
Hello Louii..you read the below and please explain the KTV song list..Ok..
Then for others, I would like to tell that I have spent more time in China than any other place since 2004..and I have been to almost all the port cities...and I know this very well that there are so many number of brothels in those cities...operating under many parlour names like 'foot massage', 'sauna centre','happy home' etc etc.....as there is no porn website accessible in China. Indian cities don't have these kind of so called parlours...

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 04:34PM HKT
schwzik @ January 11, 2010 10:47PM HKT
Hello Louii...how is google's news linked to this topic??? plz explain.
And last time I visited china, the china govt banned some of the songs in KTV bars. For other people, let me explain that KTV is a chain of Karaoke bars across china where people can drink and sing songs and request for songs etc, and now China Govt has come out with a list of songs that can ONLY be played in KTV bars...what the hell??? chinamen cannot even sing what comes out of their heart....i mean chinamen can only sing those songs which Govt likes them to sing..how sick???...I mean c'mon man Louii..how do you explain that...

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 04:33PM HKT
apollo 13 moon landing happened.... kennedy was killed by the CIA....

its apollo not appolo............

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 04:21PM HKT
India so good??? Why squat in Malaysia????
Jan 13, 2010
39,000 Indian tourists missing

PUTRAJAYA - SOME 39,000 Indian nationals had 'gone missing' in Malaysia after their tourist visas expired.

Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Tuesday they had gone missing from the Immigration Department's records, according to an estimate drawn up in June.

That was why the department was not keen on visa-on-arrival for Indians as the facility had been abused, especially by those from Chennai, he said.

'Those who came to Malaysia through the visa-on-arrival (VOI) facility could be back in India or among the people here, (maybe) working in Indian restaurants.

'We don't know where these people are. They're probably still in Malaysia for economic reasons,' he said in an interview with visiting Indian journalists at his office here. Mr Najib said he might take up the issue during his three-day official visit to India beginning on Tuesday.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 03:13PM HKT
Do you believe in the Appolo landing or the kennedy killer conspiracy?

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 02:16PM HKT
'To be sure, the Statistics Bureau reported salaries had increased 12.9 percent in the first half of 2009. But Chinese netizens complained such numbers were hard to believe -- as did the bureau's chief.

A look at GDP growth also raises serious questions. China's economy grew at an annualized 6.1 percent rate in the first quarter, and 7.9 percent in the second. Yet electricity usage, a key indicator in industrial growth and a harder metric to manipulate, declined 2.2 percent in the first six months of the year. How could an economy largely dependent on manufacturing grow while its industrial sector shrank?

It couldn't; the numbers don't add up. China announced a $600 billion stimulus package (equal to about 14 percent of GDP) last fall. At that point, local governments started counting the dedicated stimulus funds in GDP statistics -- before finding projects to use the funds, and therefore far before the trillions of yuan started trickling into the economy. Local governments keen to raise their growth and production numbers said they spent stimulus money while still deciding on what to spend it, one economist explained.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 02:11PM HKT
but there is no proof about China cook its GDP. Its all China hater like you who post the article. Did China also cook up its number as the #1 exporter?

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 02:09PM HKT
u go and google about malaysia yourself..... or search back the comments i written here yourself.... i am not going to repeat it.....


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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 02:07PM HKT
Chinese GDP cooked up.....

ht tp://w ww.foreignpolicy.c om/articles/2009/09/03/how_china_cooks_its_books?page=0,1

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 02:03PM HKT
that is not what you typed
"i dont see any chinese ....u have to admit, chinaman fall short on this....china may have volume but no quality or leadership"

So you were regarding Chinese people as stupid and ignorant. Stop being a racist and learn to respect people of other culture. Why don't you go visit China? you will stop your hatre once you learn more about the people. As you are from Malaysia, tell me about the business people of your country. Where were they originally from?

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 02:03PM HKT
that is not what you typed
"i dont see any chinese ....u have to admit, chinaman fall short on this....china may have volume but no quality or leadership"

So you were regarding Chinese people as stupid and ignorant. Stop being a racist and learn to respect people of other culture. Why don't you go visit China? you will stop your hatre once you learn more about the people. As you are from Malaysia, tell me about the business people of your country. Where were they originally from?

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 02:00PM HKT
helo.............i dont know whats wrong with your brain.....

i have no problem with taiwanese or HK people ...they come from a different system..... dont equate chinese in taiwan with china..... i have no problem chinese except communist chinese.........understand...???

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 01:51PM HKT
Also, China will become the world's largest exporter. It has the world's largest automobile market and is also the largest auto manufacturer. Stop just pin point individuals as I also shared some with you. But the main point is that China is really showing some results. I'm still waiting for me to show India's statistics on its GDP, GDP growth, ranks in export, import and auto consumption/production. If you want to be serious, you need to bring the numbers to compare.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 01:44PM HKT

although China was a communist country for a while. Chinese interpreneur in Taiwan and Hong Kong produce some of the most well known brands that is very popular in the west.

Can you look up these companies for me: Acer, Lenovo, Via, Haier, TCL and SCMC. I thought you say there are no chinese enterpreneurs. AS for Chinese American one, look at founder of Yahoo and CEO of Avon. China will become the world's 2nd largest economy on the planet this year. Don't be jealous of Chinese achievements. You should work hard and talk less

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 01:15PM HKT
be thankful to indians for giving zero and creating email in 1994.....

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 01:14PM HKT
gangster economy??? it was to some extent in the 1970 and 1980s....today its a full fledged market economy......go and re tune your brain.....

india produces entrepreneurs in INdia and the US..... from Tata to Ambani in India to vikram Pandit (citibank ceo) and Indra Nooyi (Pepsico CEO) to sameer bhatia (hotmail email creator).....

i dont see any chinese ....u have to admit, chinaman fall short on this....china may have volume but no quality or leadership....

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 01:09PM HKT
u get a life.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Many non-Muslim parents in Malaysia, it would appear, would rather their child married an alien from outer space than a Muslim.' - Andrew yong

this was written by a chinese.....

chinese in US wont understand, even china chinese wont understand this....chinese who live under muslim leadership knows this..... harisucker get a brain.....

ht tp://ww w.themalaysianinsider.co m/index.php/opinion/breaking-views/49417-muslims-have-human-rights-too--andrew-yong

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 12:59PM HKT
when I mean that US, I mean India below.....your only confort in your world is that India is democratic and China is not. So you are putting China down over that fact. get a life

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 12:51PM HKT
I guess the only emotional comfort you have is that China is a communist country and the US is a democratic country. Therefore, you feel that I would want to stay in a democratic country over a communist country. You a right. I'm not a big fan of communist. However, China is no longer a communist country. It might not have democracy but you would take China's development any day over India's gangster controlled democracy, lack of development plus its poverty.

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:24PM HKT
ht tp://ww w.themalaysianinsider.co m/index.php/malaysia/49379-stones-hurled-at-sentul-sikh-temple-

do you want to be friends with this type of muslims, like nazree paki????

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:18PM HKT
since u love CHINA, GO BACK............dont stay in democratic country..... go and earn your yuan....

wait till you get on a plane and muslims hijacks it and blow it up on air.....

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:15PM HKT
message for louis from schwzik @ January 11, 2010 11:01PM HKT
ht tp://w ww.upiasia.co m/Politics/2010/01/06/china_reins_in_cyberspace_again/9708/

he is waiting for your answer, coward.....lousy louis....

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 12:13PM HKT
Its not up for you to decide which country has rights or not base on distance. If that is the case, there are islands own by India but its closer to the mainland of another country? Are you saying that Indians should not own those islands?

Also, why do you hate muslims so much? Did the muslims insulted you while you were a kid and you hold grudges. If you hate muslims so much, why are you paying taxes to a Islamic government?

I'm not from China. I do not know how China define Rogue states. I only know the US definition as I live here. I made that statement from the perspective of the US.

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:06PM HKT
China is similar to jeneral tojo JAPAN in the 1940s.... they will seek to invade or dominate the ASEAN region... they have already done that with Spratly Islands which is closer to Asean countries than China....

China has no right to claim it.....

i did not move to malaysia idiot, i am born here, you fools......... i dont lie or hide unlike all the chinese or pakis here....

stop talking like a bunch of dick head and go back to China since you three love it so much... stop wasting time voting in California....

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:01PM HKT
can u define rogue state for CHINA?? which country??

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 11:29AM HKT
As for the missile defence, China talk with action. India talk with words. India brag about creating a system similar to THAAD system that is coming. China already created a THAAD system and is working on a mid course missile system. The conclusion is that result cannot come from talking about it. and also, if your opponent does not brag about it, it does not mean that they do not have it.

Finally, what China tested is meant to bring down ICBM from rogue states. India is neither a rogue state. Nor it has ICBMs.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 11:26AM HKT
Also, China would never get into conflict with the US as both are sensible countries. China would only respond to a country that want to over run its defence in 96 hours and US has not such dilutional plan.


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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 11:09AM HKT
gunasekar

Then why did you move to Malasya, a muslim country? Are you sure you are in Malasia? Instead of in a office in Bangalore working the Indian government on line. This is the Indian cyber military offence. Spread your crap on line.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 11:09AM HKT
gunasekar

Then why did you move to Malasya, a muslim country? Are you sure you are in Malasia? Instead of in a office in Bangalore working the Indian government on line. This is the Indian cyber military offence. Spread your crap on line.

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harisuck @ January 13, 2010 11:09AM HKT
gunasekar

Then why did you move to Malasya, a muslim country? Are you sure you are in Malasia? Instead of in a office in Bangalore working the Indian government on line. This is the Indian cyber military offence. Spread your crap on line.

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 05:41AM HKT
if you love muslim so much, ask all chinese to convert to Islam..... i bet u, in no time, the chinese will forget how to make toilet paper, run factory and send rocket to space.........


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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 05:38AM HKT


housing all cheaper to muslims here in malaysia by 7% to 10% while the non muslim will pay 10% or higher for buying house....as developer will mark up to cover their losses ...

muslim chose not to study....their priority is madrassah and the violent quran...

if you love your muslim friend so much, please do take a car or flight with them to US... one of fine day, u will be killed with their kafir bomb......

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 05:37AM HKT
coolie,

muslim deserve it....... they follow their stupid quran and they behave like bunch of monkeys....muslims who read less quran behave like human...those who follow it 100% kill kafirs include people like u, chinese which in their eyes are kafir , who according to them , u will go to hell and get roasted there as u dont believe in allah....

dont talk about muslims here.... i know them very well than any other indians here.... go and work with them and try befriend them where they are in majority.... u will be surprised with how they will treat u...

some of them will be nice to you as they aeither follow sufi islam or they are not so religous... those muslim with black forehead (due to excessive bending and touching the floor while praying) ..becareful with them....

where muslim in majority, the minority always play higher taxes to fund them...jizya.... chinese and indians in malaysia pay higher tax here to muslims...

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Coolhead @ January 13, 2010 03:39AM HKT
To sara:

Since according to spoopee, "90% of the slum dwellers in india are moslems". So something is wrong. Maybe Muslims have not been treated fairly.

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sara @ January 13, 2010 03:22AM HKT
To coolhead :

If hindu hates muslims then how hindus allowed Abdul-Kalam as a president and before that 2 presidents are also muslims .Then how they allowed Azharrudin as cricket captain and come to south india and check for muslims ministers here .And india has central ministers as muslims like Farooq abdullah so dont again say that all hindus hate muslims .If something is happening in a few states like gujarat dont project the whole india is like that

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Coolhead @ January 13, 2010 02:43AM HKT
"90% of the slum dwellers in india are moslems".
Obviously racial discrimination is very serious in India and Muslims are cruelly oppressed by Hindus.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 02:17AM HKT

slope, see what is the topic!!!!!!

Compare with China, pls...............

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slope @ January 13, 2010 01:59AM HKT
coon mahoon luis hossein, the paki, while mumbai may be number one but still a puny comapiring to talibani pakiland.
what you need to know is the slum culture came from moslems. 90% of the slum dwellers in india are moslems, your ummah brothers you loser race.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 01:54AM HKT

Mumbai's is number 1 !!!!!!!!

Unbeatable....

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slope @ January 13, 2010 01:52AM HKT
coon mahoon luis hossein, the paki. slums of karachi/islamabad, PAKIland, which one is your shack?
htt p://ww w.dawn.co m/2009/01/10/local1.htm
ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=QqisW6p6_5E
htt p://ww w.dailytimes.co m.pk/default.asp?page=2008\04\17\story_17-4-2008_pg7_21
jcc.sagepub.co m/cgi/content/abstract/33/1/100
ww w.thenews.co m.pk/print1.asp?id=212622
if the pakis don't get clean drinking water then they opt for camel piss, reccomended by Mohammed (camel piss)
htt p://ww w.fahad.co m/2006/03/benefits-of-camel-urine.html
htt p://mac.abc.se/home/onesr/f/Camel%20Milk.html
htt p://ww w.liveleak.co m/view?i=93a_1215816048&c=1
htt p://ww w.saudigazette.co m.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071143333
this should keep you busy coon mahoon luis hossein the dum paki

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 01:52AM HKT
A UN Expert Group has created an operational definition of a slum as an area that combines to various extents the following characteristics: inadequate access to safe water; inadequate access to sanitation and other infrastructure; poor structural quality of housing; overcrowding; and insecure residential status.[6]

In many slums, especially in poor countries, many live in very narrow alleys that do not allow vehicles (like ambulances and fire trucks) to pass. The lack of services such as routine garbage collection allows rubbish to accumulate in huge quantities. The lack of infrastructure is caused by the informal nature of settlement and no planning for the poor by government officials. Additionally, informal settlements often face the brunt of natural and man-made disasters, such as landslides, as well as earthquakes and tropical storms. Fires are often a serious problem.[17]

Many slum dwellers employ themselves in the informal economy. This can include street vending, drug dealing, domestic work, and prostitution. In some slums people even recycle trash of different kinds (from household garbage to electronics) for a living - selling either the odd usable goods or stripping broken goods for parts or raw materials.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 01:43AM HKT

guna, I visited more than 23 cities in China, I see 0 slum.

You may show to me if you deem otherwise.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 01:34AM HKT

Hari says: Quality of Life. India beats China & Russia....
Ha.......
Hari, guna, slope, below is the reasons why you are not in there!!!!!!

A Zillion reasons to escape from India
Echoing an ordinary dream of 900 million poor people of India

55 % Mumbai, 44 % Meerut, 40 % of Pune : India’s top list on slum population

December 19, 2007 by Cyber Gandhi


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slope @ January 13, 2010 01:32AM HKT
harisuck: look at your pakiland, a land famous for two things, terrorism and begging. you tell hari sud to go back to India, then who the hell wants you disgusting pakis anywhere on this earth? not even your mullah countries. they also perceive you as terrorists. strange! one moslem calls another a terrorist brother. you the chickenshit lives in USA, how about yours neighbors? are they comfy with having you in among them?
no!!!
you are under FBI surveillance 27/7, your neighbors keep a constant watch on you. because any phuckin' moslem who can strike anytime in USA, with bomb shoved up his ass. you disgusting, pathetic paki, why don't you go back to your stone aged, 7th century talibanistani pakiland instead? you moslems can not make any contribution to your host country. nazree/coon mahoon luigi hossein, atta, david headley, rana tanawar, zazi hossein, all phuckin terrorist ba$tard$.

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Louis @ January 13, 2010 01:28AM HKT

Indian slum growth rate tops the world's!!!!!!!!!

Slum in Mumbai, India. 55% of the population of Mumbai live in slums, which cover only 6% of the city's land.[1] Slum growth rate in Mumbai is greater than the general urban growth rate.[2]

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gunasekar @ January 13, 2010 12:32AM HKT
china has no slum....?? are u sure....

Why China needs its slums

The latest Economist looks at the plight of many China migrant workers whose cheap urban housing is being flattened, No place to call home

To prepare for the Olympic Games next year, Beijing's authorities are removing ..eyesores. Old villages surrounded by the expanding city are being demolished. With them goes cheap housing, vital to the city's huge pool of migrant workers. China does not like to admit it has slums. But it does, and it will find it needs them.

In the past two years or so, cities across China have announced plans to “transform” these “villages within cities”. Because of the Olympics in August 2008, Beijing faces a particularly tight deadline. The aim is to “renovate” (ie, usually, flatten) 171 urban villages by the end of this year. Between 2005, when the campaign was launched, and the end of last year, 114 of them were thus transformed.

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Coolhead @ January 13, 2010 12:11AM HKT
I haven't been to rural India either, but I know India's largest city - Mumbai. Admittedly India builds world's best slums - nice architecture and good looking. No wonder half of Mumbai's population live in slums, which are so ultramodern compared to Shanghai's numerous skyscrapers. Even so, you need to learn that infrastructure is much more than just buildings.

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 11:43PM HKT
obviously, all of you never been to rural china..... wow...so great was Sichuan buildings, it collapsed like deck of cards and killed thousands of chinese school children...what a great infrastructure....

buildings in china looks ugly.....lousy architecture...

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 11:39PM HKT
china does not even have aircraft carrier............still trying to copycat Varyag....

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 11:39PM HKT
US 7th fleet is at South Korea, Japan and Taiwan coastlines....that is not close to China............what a dick heads....

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Coolhead @ January 12, 2010 11:27PM HKT
This index gives India 4 points more in infrastructure than China, so that India can beat China by only 2 points in the final score? So much for the credibility of this index. Even the most anti-China people admit that China's infrastructure is decades ahead of India's - highway network, power grid, high-speed rail, ports, subways systems in numerous cities, telecommunications... you name it.

Infrastructure Final
India 44 58
China 40 56

www1.internationalliving.com /qofl2010/

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 11:06PM HKT
gunasekar

China will not attack the US carriers because US carriers would not get in range for China to strike it. Only Indian carriers are smart enough to do that.

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 11:05PM HKT
Hari Sud

I missed that India is the 88th best place to live part. That is why you are still in Canada.

Why is Indian and Chinese completing over the 88th place or 87th place. Did you receive a trophy for coming in 10th as a child in a 10 person race.

The announcer says, "and now, for the 10th place trophy, Hari Sud" and your parent applaud and take pictures with your 10th place trophy

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 11:02PM HKT
Hari sud

If that is the case, I would suggest that you move your operation back to India. They would be more receptive of your articles. You can write any opinions you want, no matter how flamboyant it is, and pass it as actual facts.

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 10:17PM HKT
louis says...'China's anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles — capable of striking U.S. Navy aircraft carrier battle groups and bases in the Pacific — have drawn the most attention from analysts in recent months.'

try and strike the US if Chinese dare to do it.....all your money in US treasury bill will be forfeited....there goes your trillions of dollars....

i never though chine will be so dumb.... they are actually putting bulk of their cash in their potential future enemy and military rival......

nothing the chinese can do when the US strikes all of their nuclear ICBM toward China...there goes your civilization, there will be some traces of it in Chinatowns only....

India 's enemies are only Pakis, China and Arabs...the rest like US, Russia, europe, japan is neutral...... list for china's military rivals are so many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 10:08PM HKT
louis fool,

you are using UNDP....their criteria ...

'The criteria included life expectancy, literacy rates, school enrollment, and the country's economy'

meanwhile International Living criteria...

'The index, published for the 30th year, ranks 194 nations in nine categories: cost of living, culture and leisure, economy, environment, freedom, health, infrastructure, safety and risk, and climate.'

looks like china failed in climate, safety and risk, freedom, health and environment....

ooh and not forgetting...india's culture is superior to chinese one...so few more points more for indians than chinese.... mao already killed and burned your culture during your famous CULTURAL REVOLUTION....

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 09:57PM HKT
china's industrial pollution is worse than india s.... louis and coolhead can go help clean it up.....

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HariSud @ January 12, 2010 09:00PM HKT
Quality of Life? India beats China & Russia

Rediff; January 12, 2010

India has moved up 35 places to become the 88th best country in the world to live in, leaving behind nations like Russia and China, according to a survey.

The rise has made India the second best place after Bhutan to live in the sub-continent, according to the 2010 Quality of Life Index, published by travel magazine International Living.

Sweden has been dubbed as the costliest country in the world to live in by the index.

In 2009, India was the fourth best country in South Asia after Bhutan, Maldives and Sri Lanka.

The index, published for the 30th year, ranks 194 nations in nine categories: cost of living, culture and leisure, economy, environment, freedom, health, infrastructure, safety and risk, and climate.

India has not only improved its overall position in the tally, but has also gained around 25 points in the cost of living category. This year the country got 65 points compared to 40 last year.

"The figure relates to how much it will cost one to live in style comparable to, or better than, the standard of living you're likely enjoying in the United States," the magazine says.


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Louis @ January 12, 2010 07:37PM HKT
Monday's report continues a growing trend of greater transparency over China's new military technologies typified by last year's striking Oct. 1 military parade marking the 60th anniversary of the founding of the communist state. Large numbers of missiles were displayed in the show, including ICBMs, together with tanks, amphibious craft and latest-generation jet fighters.

China's anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles — capable of striking U.S. Navy aircraft carrier battle groups and bases in the Pacific — have drawn the most attention from analysts in recent months.

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 07:23PM HKT
Your survey is based on proudly talking big, ignorant Indians who have not seen the outside world:

Best Country to Live: List of Countries on 2009 UN HDI
by Scott Wu | October 5, 2009 at 11:52 am

The United Nation Development Programme (UNDP) released its 2009 Human Development Report, and ranked 182 countries in terms of the quality of life of their citizens, or the UN Human Development Index (HDI). The criteria included life expectancy, literacy rates, school enrollment, and the country's economy. Norway is ranked the first, followed by Australia and Iceland.

rank
23 Singapore
24 Hong Kong, China (SAR)
92 China
111 Indonesia
132 Bhutan
133 India

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 07:10PM HKT
India has moved up 35 places to become the 88th best country in the world to live in, leaving behind nations like Russia and China, according to a survey.

The rise has made India the second best place after Bhutan to live in the sub-continent, according to the 2010 Quality of Life Index, published by travel magazine International Living.

The index, published for the 30th year, ranks 194 nations in nine categories: cost of living, culture and leisure, economy, environment, freedom, health, infrastructure, safety and risk, and climate.

India has not only improved its overall position in the tally, but has also gained around 25 points in the cost of living category. This year the country got 65 points compared to 40 last year.

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 04:22PM HKT
Chinese no bullshiting...
They will just show results......China's indigenous interceptor unit.

Foreign media reports in 2006 said Beijing had tested a surface-to-air missile in the country's remote northwest with capabilities similar to the American Patriot interceptor system. According to South Korea's Dong-A Ilbo newspaper, the test involved the detection and downing of both a reconnaissance drone and an incoming ballistic missile by an interceptor, adding that it appeared to mark the official launch of China's indigenous interceptor unit.

"There is an obvious concern in Beijing that they need an effective anti-ballistic missile defense in some form," said Hans Kristensen, an expert on the Chinese military with the Federation of American Scientists.

Staging a successful test "shows that their technology is maturing," Kristensen said.

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 04:22PM HKT
Chinese no bullshiting...
They will just show results......China's indigenous interceptor unit.

Foreign media reports in 2006 said Beijing had tested a surface-to-air missile in the country's remote northwest with capabilities similar to the American Patriot interceptor system. According to South Korea's Dong-A Ilbo newspaper, the test involved the detection and downing of both a reconnaissance drone and an incoming ballistic missile by an interceptor, adding that it appeared to mark the official launch of China's indigenous interceptor unit.

"There is an obvious concern in Beijing that they need an effective anti-ballistic missile defense in some form," said Hans Kristensen, an expert on the Chinese military with the Federation of American Scientists.

Staging a successful test "shows that their technology is maturing," Kristensen said.

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 04:21PM HKT
Well, I doubt China would acquire this technology from Russia as Russia never tested a mid course interceptor. Only the US has this technology so China ranks #2.

What India, Israel and Russia tested are similar to THAAD. What China tested is a GBMD. While US have both programs. THAAD is meant for shorter ranged missiles with limited ICBM capability. GBMD is exclusively for ICBMs.

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 04:13PM HKT
Indian like horn-blowing...nothing shown in the end....
Chinese do it quietly...and show its results...

Such programs are shrouded in secrecy, but military analysts say China appears to have augmented its air defenses with homemade technologies adapted from Russian and other foreign weaponry. China purchased a large number of Russian surface-to-air missiles during the 1990s and has since pressed ahead with its own HQ-9 interceptor, along with a more advanced missile system with an extended range.

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 04:09PM HKT
What China tested is a mid-course missile defence. No other country besides the US has this technology. What India and Israel has is a terminal phase interceptor similar to that of THAAD of the US.

ht tp://e n.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense

What China tested is similar to the NMD (GBMD) of the United States.

ht tp://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense

This system is extremely difficult to operate properly. Even the US, after 12 years of testing, still haven't got it right. China is still in the infancy stage of developing this system. However, China is the 2nd country to test this system.

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:45PM HKT
And the bears also keep a close eye on anecdotal reports from the ground level in China, like a recent posting on a blog called The Peking Duck about shopping at Beijing’s “stunningly dysfunctional, catastrophic mall, called The Place.”

“I was shocked at what I saw,” the blogger wrote. “Fifty percent of the eateries in the basement were boarded up. The cheap food court, too, was gone, covered up with ugly blue boarding, making the basement especially grim and dreary. ... There is simply too much stuff, too many stores and no buyers.”

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:45PM HKT
Chang argues that inconsistencies in Chinese official statistics — like the surging numbers for car sales but flat statistics for gasoline consumption — indicate that the Chinese are simply cooking their books. He speculates that Chinese state-run companies buying fleets of cars and simply storing them in giant parking lots in order to generate apparent growth.

Another data point cited by the bears: overcapacity. example, the Chinese already consume more cement than the rest of the world combined, at 1.4 billion tons per year. But they have dramatically ramped up their ability to produce even more in recent years, leading to an estimated spare capacity of about 340 million tons, which, according to a report prepared earlier this year by Pivot Capital Management, is more than the consumption in the U.S., India and Japan combined.

This is happening in sector after sector in the Chinese economy. And that means the Chinese are in danger of producing huge quantities of goods and products that they will be unable to sell.

The Pivot Capital report concluded, “We believe the coming slowdown in China has the potential to be a similar watershed event for world markets as the reversal of the U.S. subprime and housing boom.”


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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:42PM HKT
That’s one vision of the future.

But there’s a growing group of market professionals who see a different picture altogether. These self-styled China bears take the less popular view: that the much-vaunted Chinese economic miracle is nothing but a paper dragon. In fact, they argue that the Chinese have dangerously overheated their economy, building malls, luxury stores and infrastructure for which there is almost no demand, and that the entire system is teetering toward collapse.

A Chinese collapse, of course, would have profound effects on the United States, limiting China’s ability to buy U.S. debt and provoking unknown political changes inside the Chinese regime.

First, they point to the enormous Chinese economic stimulus effort — with the government spending $900 billion to prop up a $4.3 trillion economy. “Yet China’s economy, for all the stimulus it has received in 11 months, is underperforming,” Gordon Chang, author of “The Coming Collapse of China,” wrote in Forbes at the end of October. “More important, it is unlikely that [third-quarter] expansion was anywhere near the claimed 8.9 percent.”

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:37PM HKT
Minxin Pei wrote...

China has already paid a heavy price for the flaws of its political system and the corruption it has spawned. Its new leaders, though aware of the depth of the decay, are taking only modest steps to correct it. For the moment, China’s strong economic fundamentals and the boundless energy of its people have concealed and offset its poor governance, but they will carry China only so far. Someday soon, we will know whether such a flawed system can pass a stress test: a severe economic shock, political upheaval, a public health crisis, or an ecological catastrophe. China may be rising, but no one really knows whether it can fly.

And therefore it is in our strategic interest to help China along when it encounters its various stress tests, which given our previous experiences with emerging tigers will initially be economic ones. Minxin Pei’s observations by the way contain a kernel of hope for the pessimists: China is not nearly as strong or as threatening as some try to make it out to be.


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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:33PM HKT
india's chandrayaan 1 detected water on the moon and 2nd moon mission is being prepared....

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 03:24PM HKT

You never learn.

China do first, say later.
The tech might even matured 10 years back, who knows...

When you provoked by a giant, you show your misile.

When you provoked by a monkey...a tank...??
A stick with a small pebble will do...:-)

You have to thank US for you to see this, but don't worrry, not even the most advance from China yet in front of you...:-)

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 03:03PM HKT
china very slow....only in 2010??? hahaahaaa late by 3 years....



PAD was tested in November 2006, followed by AAD in December 2007. With the test of the PAD missile, India became the fourth country to have successfully developed an Anti-ballistic missile system, after United States, Russia and Israel.[5] On March 6, 2009, India again successfully tested its missile defense shield, during which an incoming "enemy" missile was intercepted at an altitude of 75 km.[6]

Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) missile for high altitude interception, and the Advanced Air Defence (AAD) Missile for lower altitude interception. The two-tiered shield will be able to intercept any incoming missile launched 5,000 kilometers away.[4]

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Louis @ January 12, 2010 03:00PM HKT
wow..........!!!!!!!!!

"We did not receive prior notification of the launch," Maj. Maureen Schumann, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said. "We detected two geographically separated missile launch events with an exo-atmospheric collision also being observed by space-based sensors. We are requesting information from China regarding the purpose for conducting this interception as well as China's intentions and plans to pursue future types of intercepts."

China's military is in the middle of a major technology upgrade, spurred on by double-digit annual percentage increases in defense spending. Missile technology is considered one of the People's Liberation Army's particular strengths, allowing it to narrow the gap with the U.S. and other militaries that wield stronger conventional forces.

Xinhua did not further identify the system tested, although China is believed to be pursuing a number of programs developed from anti-aircraft systems aimed at shooting down stealth aircraft and downing or disabling cruise missiles and precision-guided weapons.

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harisuck @ January 12, 2010 01:49PM HKT
I guess 2010 is also a great year for China so far.

ht tp://new s.yahoo.c om/s/ap/20100112/ap_on_re_as/as_china_missile_defense

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gunasekar @ January 12, 2010 08:15AM HKT
BEIJING: Thousands of Chinese officials have fled overseas with as much as $50 billion in their pockets in stolen government funds during the country’s economic boom over the past three decades, China’s top prosecutorial office said on Monday.

Using the services of criminal gangs in other countries, former officials are often able to launder money, buy real estate and obtain fake IDs, according to an article posted on the website of the Supreme People’s Procuratorate. The report from the top prosecutor’s office said developed nations, including the US and Australia, have become “heaven for those in hiding”.

A joint multi-agency government task force has been set up to stem the flood of corrupt officials stealing and escaping the country. “According to statistics, China now has 4,000 officials hiding overseas with $50 billion,” the report said. It was unclear how the numbers were calculated.

They include the Public Security, Justice and Foreign Affairs ministries joining together “to prevent the fleeing of those who violate disciplines or laws”, said a notice posted on the ministry of supervision’s website. It did not give details on how it would apprehend the officials or get them back to China to face the law.

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Coolhead @ January 12, 2010 12:51AM HKT
Oh, they drink urine. No wonder, that answers everything.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 10:57PM HKT
It was first revealed by Prime Minister Morarjee Desai that he drank his own piss. So started a huge furor. Then it was disocovered that many temples advocate piss-drinking and many holy men do it. Ordinary Indians also do it routinely.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 10:56PM HKT
Indian coke!!!!!!!!!!wow!!!!!!!!wow wow!!!!!!

The Times of London reports that the Cow Ruine drinking is very popular in India and now an international franchise to bottle and sell the urine is being launched in India. Cow Urine is sold ubiquitously in all part of India and is supposedly a cure all for all diseases.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 10:55PM HKT
Urine as soft drink launched in India: Times Report

The Times of London reports that the Cow Ruine drinking is very popular in India and now an international franchise to bottle and sell the urine is being launched in India. Cow Urine is sold ubiquitously in all part of India and is supposedly a cure all for all diseases.

The question is not whether the RSS wants to sell Gaumutra (literally Cow Urine), the question is how can a society accept this sort of nonsense which s based on superstitions, illiteracyand ignorance. The amazing thing is that despite the tall claims of a vibrant India–the society in general all across the land of the Ganges remains deeply steeped in superstition, penury and ancient beliefs that have no relation to science or medicine.

One is astounded at the number of people in India that belive that Gaumutra can cure cancer, heart disease and AIDs to name a few. A country cannot march into the 21st century or fool the world into believing that it is marching towards progress if it drinks urine.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 10:50PM HKT
slope,

those 150million moslems in india should not be sent to pakiland, but sent to saudi arabia along with their paki brothers..... indians should occupy back the land from karachi to lahore to kabul.....clear the moslems

if these people are chinese, they should not be replying back about this... this statement has nothing to do with china or chinese...........

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 10:05PM HKT
slope and guna, tried?? nice???

The healing properties of cow dung and cow’s urine are also mentioned in ancient Hindu texts. The research conducted by doctors at the cow-protection commission indicates that the urine can cure anything from skin diseases, kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart ailments.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 10:01PM HKT
slope, guna, I have my Peking duck...

You have your roasted rats with a glass of cow urine??? Nice????

The BBC reports that it is official Indian policy to urge her citizens to eat rats. The starving Indians may not have much of a choice. There is nothing else to eat in “Incredible India”. Perhaps rats would go well with the other Indian habit–drinking urine.

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:46PM HKT
Sara and Gunesekar!!!!!
don't engage with these two PAKIs harisucker/cooliehead and luigi, in any arguement.
no chinese will ever argue with you like this, in fact they are quite amicable with the Indians on people to people level. pakis are jealous of India and Indians. don't waste your time on these two barking dawgs (dogs), the proud "international" beggars

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:39PM HKT
India suffers from security lapses because it has 200 million "unwanted moslems", who belong to PAKIstan and must be shipped there!

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:37PM HKT
why pakis are miserabl on earth. no country wants you. soon you will all be banned to travel by air though most moslems may not. the reason, now you talk about china and J-10. well listen packo, that plain is worth nothing

htt p://ww w.fas.or g/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10.htm

after reading your wonderful J-10 go to the following link we know you are pakis

ww w.youtube.co m/watch?v=ArmdkpqUpRo

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:25PM HKT
Luigi!!!! read what your mohammed tells moslems
htt p://islam-qa.co m/en/ref/83423
Praise be to Allaah.

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 07:37PM HKT
check the cms group under the chief minister of sarawak, borneo...taib mahmud is one of the most corrupt politician in malaysia....

more than 30years in power as chief minister but the largely christian majority people iban, dayak etc are very poor....

CMS group under taib controls all business in sarawak....
they collaborate with corrupt chinese today.... dont know how many billion will be lost????

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 06:46PM HKT

Jan 11, 2010
China, M'sia in Borneo project

KUALA LUMPUR - CHINA'S leading power grid operator SGCC and Malaysian government development fund 1MDB said Monday they will jointly establish energy projects worth US$11 billion (S$15 billion) in Malaysian Borneo.

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sara @ January 11, 2010 06:28PM HKT
sara @ January 11, 2010 02:41PM HKT
To louis:
U talked about women sucide in india see what is happening in china

china women sucide:
1)In China, one woman kills herself every four minutes.
2)China is the only country in the world where more women commit suicide than men.
3)Every year, 1.5 million women attempt to take their own lives, and a further 150,000 succeed in doing so.
4)Many marriages are arranged and operate like business deals in which the groom's parents "buy" the bride, and she becomes part of their family.
5)By 2020, China could be short of around 40 million women, leaving many young men unable to find wives.
6)The suicide rate for women in China is 25 percent higher than for men, and the rural rate is three times the urban rate
7)38 percent said their husbands had beaten them so they commited sucide

So if u are not mentally-ill stop talking about women sucide of india

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:45PM HKT
Only in January 1995, did the kidney scandal come to the surface
through a series of incidents which received wide media coverage
and prompted public outrage causing the Indian Congress to pass
legislation banning kidney trade. On January 15, 1995, Customs
officers in Delhi uncovered a "kidney tour" racket in which
donors were enticed to go abroad for removal and subsequent
transplant of their kidneys. Hundreds of donors were believed
to have gone on such kidney tours. On January 23, 1995 it was
discovered that residents of a rehabilitation colony
(Villivakkam) for leprosy patients near Madras, were found to
freely donate kidneys for money offered by agents. Then, on
January 29, 1995, police busted a massive racket in Banglore, in
which the kidneys of nearly 1,000 unsuspecting people had been
removed in a leading city hospital by prominent doctors. The
"donors" had been lured with offers of jobs and their kidneys
removed under the pretext or removing blood.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:44PM HKT
The result has been that
"supply and demand created a marriage of unequals , wedding
wealthy but desperate people dependent on dialysis machines to
those in India grounded down by the hopelessness of
poverty"(Max). The pace of demand for kidneys hasn't kept up
with the demand. Consequently, the poor and destitute, victims
of poverty, have either willingly sold their kidneys to pay for
a daughter's dowry, build a small house or to feed their families
or have been duped or conned into giving up their kidneys
unknowingly or for very little sums of money. Ironically,
medical technology meant to advance and save human lives has been
abused to such lengths, that in some cases, it has resulted in
the death of innocent individuals.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:44PM HKT
For years, India has been known as a "warehouse for kidneys" or
a "great organ bazaar" and has become one of the largest centers
for kidney transplants in the world, offering low costs and
almost immediate availability. In a country where one person out
of every three lives in poverty, a huge transplant industry arose
after drugs were developed in the 1970's to control the body's
rejection of foreign objects. Renal transplants became common in
India about thirteen years ago when the anti-rejection drug
cyclosporine became available locally. The use of powerful
immuno-suppressant drugs and new surgical techniques has
indirectly boosted the kidney transplant activities. The
dramatic success rates of operations, India's lack of medical
regulations and an atmosphere of "loose medical ethics" has also
fueled the kidney transplant growth.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:38PM HKT

I thought you always visit there...???

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:35PM HKT
again, i am in malaysia, not india......what kind of a brain u have there????

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:27PM HKT

guna, check your abdomen left and right, both of your kidneys still there???

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:25PM HKT
no surprise....there are crooks everywhere.....u might even find few cases in western countries..... so what

whatever happens in india happens a lot worse in china..... in india, its done by the people agaisnt people...

in china ....it is done by chinese communist government.............thats the biggest difference....

u can find this in the news, as the police and government report it and take action on it.... in china, nothing can be done as the crook is the government themselves.....

dont deny, you idiot....u should be smarter while in USA not dumber....

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:21PM HKT
Kidney Thefts Shock India
Tomas Munita for The New York Times

GURGAON, India — As the anesthetic wore off, Naseem Mohammed said, he felt an acute pain in the lower left side of his abdomen. Fighting drowsiness, he fumbled beneath the unfamiliar folds of a green medical gown and traced his fingers over a bandage attached with surgical tape. An armed guard by the door told him that his kidney had been removed.
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Tomas Munita for The New York Times

Shakeel Ahmed, in the forefront, was abducted from the market with a promise of a job. Fellow laborers, Naseem Mohammed, 25, left, and Muhammad Salem, recovered in a Gurgaon hospital on Monday after having a kidney removed against their will.
The New York Times

The Gurgaon police raided a kidney theft ring last week.

Mr. Mohammed was the last of about 500 Indians whose kidneys were removed by a team of doctors running an illegal transplant operation, supplying kidneys to rich Indians and foreigners, police officials said. A few hours after his operation last Thursday, the police raided the clinic and moved him to a government hospital.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:17PM HKT
i dont worship any, ok........... keep on repeating stupid question....
so....u wnet to US for studies....go and study properly............dont waste time....then difficult for you to beat the indian students mark there.........

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:13PM HKT

so guna, you worship also Shilpa Shetty...??? Her poster on bedroom walls like American youngsters do to their sexy actress...???

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:11PM HKT
but china have thousands of prisoners and poor peoples kidney, liver, heart harvested and sold to rich people...right..... good work....

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 04:02PM HKT

10!!!!!!!!!

wow !!!!!!!!!!!

0 in China...:-)

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:00PM HKT
movie actors are not god.......they are just actors.....samjhe????

if 10 fools do a temple priest for amitabh bachan....they are the biggest fools.... and remember they are just 10 of them.... we hindus dont pray to humans or actors.....

nehru is not a god so is MAO ZEE DONG..... wow....

mao died and chinese man and women committed suicides.... what do you think of that??????

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:56PM HKT
wow.......louis is a chinaman studying medicine??

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:52PM HKT
And I thought it was we Indians who were supposed to be backward in our love and devotion for the dancing queens of Bollywood?

Many in the West view the wonderfully idiosyncratic world of Bollywood as bizarre. It is true that in Bombay (the name most of us Bombay residents still use to refer to the city), ardent fans will wait for hours outside the gates of certain film stars’ homes, hoping to catch a glimpse of their idols – though that happens in Hollywood, too. In South India, some film stars are treated as demigods. In Calcutta in Eastern India there is even a temple for superstar Amitabh Bachchan, where traditional ceremonies of worship are carried out by qualified priests (1). ‘For millions of Asians both at home and abroad, Bollywood is religion. Its screen stars are demigods, its narratives morality tales’, says Satinder Chohan in the UK Guardian (2). Perhaps – but let’s not forget that some locks of Britney Spears’ hair are reportedly up for sale for around £500,000. It is not only in apparently weird India where celebs are treated as oracles these days, and their possessions passed around like pseudo-religious relics.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:52PM HKT
Bombay, India— In some Western circles, it is fashionable to mock the Indian masses for turning their favourite Bollywood actresses into goddesses to be worshipped. American and European writers have described Bollywood as a ‘great divinity-making machine’, which ‘churns’ out new gods. Some of its stars are ‘literally idolised by their fans’, shocked Western audiences are told, and turned into objects of ‘national devotion’ (1).

Yet now the highest echelons of British society, the educated elite, have transformed Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty into a ‘divinity’. Seriously – that is how she was actually described on a TV show on Channel 4. Following the ‘racist bullying’ controversy on Channel 4’s Celebrity Big Brother, when Shetty was picked on by reality TV star Jade Goody, politicians, journalists and community activists in Britain seem to have elevated Shetty to the role of high priestess of unity; a potential saviour whose grace under fire should be a lesson to us all, and whose values might help to fix a ‘broken nation’ and unite the masses.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:42PM HKT

sons of Gandhi, meaning Indians......like you

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:41PM HKT
who is ganthi??

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:37PM HKT

No more saint in the world anymore!!!Pls...

Ganthi???



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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:34PM HKT
louis...are you atheist????

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:15PM HKT

Current world religions are more than enough to cater for human needs.

More religions, more chaos.

Unlike India, more gods than it population. Chaotic.
Indian Bollywood star has its temple!!!!Incredible India.


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:12PM HKT
sara, you can read this ......good one....


htt p://w ww.theepochtimes.c om/n2/content/view/26065/

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:10PM HKT
i worked in dubai before....u saw how it risen.....now it is bailed out by Abu Dhabi as thay have oil money...

when China face the same thing, you know what the IMF going to do???????
guess.....they wont release money if there are no political reform, they might choose not to help....

no other country can give money....let chinese have their civil war again....

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sara @ January 11, 2010 03:08PM HKT
To louis :

According to the latest report published by travel magazine International Living. for the 2010 Quality of Life Index among some 194 nations in nine categories:
cost of living,
culture and leisure,
economy,
environment,
freedom,
health,
infrastructure,
safety and risk, and climate

1)India has moved up 35 places to become the 88th best country in the world to live, leaving behind nations like Russia and CHINA, according to a survey

2)In 2009, India was the fourth best country in South Asia after Bhutan, Maldives and Sri Lanka.

What u will talk about this latest report Louis

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:07PM HKT
dont forget TIBET, inner mongolia and Xin Jiang.... they hate han chinese.....

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:07PM HKT
January 10, 2010 The Times
China’s economy rebounds with 56% annual rise in imports

Chinese government economists, usually cautious in their assessments, hailed the strength of trade in December — albeit from a low base rate after exports slumped a year ago.

The surge in export trade was matched by an even bigger leap in December's imports, which rose 55.9 per cent year-on-year to $112.3 billion (£70 billion), much more than the expected 31.0 per cent rise. That squeezed China’s trade surplus down to $18.4 billion compared with $19.1 billion in November and $39 billion in December 2008.

That rise reflected China’s stronger economic growth, driven by a 4 trillion yuan (£400 billion) stimulus package unveiled in November 2008 and by demand for imported raw materials and consumer goods at a time when demand in the United States and other foreign markets is weaker.

It also enabled China to overtake Germany as the as the world's biggest exporter — a new sign of the rapid Chinese rise as a global economic force. China’s new status is largely symbolic but reflects the ability of its resilient, low-cost manufacturers to keep selling abroad despite a collapse in global consumer demand due to the financial crisis.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:07PM HKT
keep on dreaming....in fact i will not be surprised when Pakistan finish killing itself, they will be begging to rejoin India together with Bangladesh....

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:06PM HKT
whats your real name.....why put louis instead of chin or lim or tang.... be proud of your heritage....

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:04PM HKT
China is a slave in itself, overly depended on FDI and foreign companies and foreign nation....its a recipe for disaster....

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:03PM HKT
India can survive and prosper by breaking up." Paranjoy Guha Thakurta

India is coming apart at the seams. The patchwork of states hobbled together by threats, force, police action, armed intervention, fake articles of accession, instigated revolts, assault, brute force and propaganda of imminent collapse—"Indian Union", is now coming apart at the seams. Lest we forget, it is a "union" of many different states which have now decided that the contract with Delhi isn’t working and they want out. “Hum Pakistani hain”: Syed Ali Gilani Kashmir Hurriyat leader

The conglomeration of more then 114 different linguistic groups, literally hundreds of castes, scores of nationalities, various races, religions and ethnecities– is imploding. Telangana splitting up India: Back to the future: —Return to 560 independent states that existed during Company Raj, British Rule, Mughal era & before


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:03PM HKT
louis 'President Obama would be visiting Asia next month – India does not feature in the list of nations.'

i did not know that CHINA need certificate from Obama USA... where is the patriotic feeling of communist?????


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 03:02PM HKT
the indian PM however corrupt or incompetent in the past did not kill 30million of its citizen unlike Mao... u going to deny this???????

even if ppl are poor, there are ration food for people to eat.....did china had this in 1949 or 1970s...???

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:00PM HKT

India-the failed state of South Asia
October 12, 2009

India – a failed state ? by Ranjit Goswami

South Asia is in a sorrow state – much of its own making. India is in a sorrow state – as yesterday (8th October, 2009) Naxals killed 17 policemen in Maharashtra and in Kabul, another attempt to blast Indian embassy resulted in similar number of deaths.

What’s happening in India? What’s happening in South Asia? And why?

Not long ago, Indian media was gung ho on ‘India superpower’ topic. I was one of the few skeptics – not because I am less or more patriotic. It’s something similar to the views one Singapore-based Indian fund manager once said: whenever in his TV interviews he states Sensex may correct more than many other markets, he has been perceived as a non-patriotic.

The last two years may or may not have seen decoupling conclusively – however one decoupling that has happened conclusively is comparing India along with China in global forums and media. President Obama would be visiting Asia next month – India does not feature in the list of nations.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:59PM HKT
are you a christian, confucius follower, buddhist or atheist, louis???

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sara @ January 11, 2010 02:59PM HKT
sara @ January 11, 2010 02:41PM HKT
To louis:
U talked about women sucide in india see what is happening in china

china women sucide:
1)In China, one woman kills herself every four minutes.
2)China is the only country in the world where more women commit suicide than men.
3)Every year, 1.5 million women attempt to take their own lives, and a further 150,000 succeed in doing so.
4)Many marriages are arranged and operate like business deals in which the groom's parents "buy" the bride, and she becomes part of their family.
5)By 2020, China could be short of around 40 million women, leaving many young men unable to find wives.
6)The suicide rate for women in China is 25 percent higher than for men, and the rural rate is three times the urban rate
7)38 percent said their husbands had beaten them so they commited sucide

So if u are not mentally-ill stop talking about women sucide of india

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:56PM HKT
Failed States

International Consensus on the ranking of States that are not successful
Failed State: Unsuccessful attempts to form a country–India
December 11, 2009

The world is aghast—like the USSR, Bharat is imploding. The analysts were right—it would take a feather to unravel the poorly concocted country called India. Winston Churchill was right when he proclaimed “that India is as ephemeral as the Equator”.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:55PM HKT
FALUN GONG.......................................................

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:55PM HKT
There, of course, will be resentment by the chauvinistic fringe of the dominant religion with any ‘outside’ force that challenges their hegemony. Here is proof of the aggressive stance taken by radical Christian organizations in the ‘West’. The following letter was delivered to the Indian Embassy in Australia by a group known as “Global Christian Brethern United“. In fact it is chilling in its claims, which includes the responsibility of murder of a Hindu priest and threats of more murders to come. They even claim that what they plan to do will make Taliban look meek. I was lucky to chance upon it.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:55PM HKT
if christian do this in india, there will be tit for tat

“Hail be the supremacy of the Christian religion. The one and only true religion, the one and only almighty world power which your farrcical government already dances to like a puppet pulled by strings! … (the government power of your country) is in our hands, the one and only supreme power that paves the way for us to do as we please. … zealout (sic) swamis who stand in our way. The chilling murder of the Hindu temple priest is a true example of our capabilities and capacity to rule supreme without retribution. You idiots! The world fears the violence of taliban and muslim terrorists but their acts are nothing compared to he forthcoming systematic treacherous annnihilation that will rid the world of those who blaspheme! Including those pagan hindu clerics that visit western shores … to convert our children of Jesus Christ to become hindus under the guise of yoga! … they will be stopped and the fetid stench of their burning flesh will deter others from following in their footsteps…”

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:53PM HKT
The cola brands are popular in India, now one of their biggest markets, but have struggled in recent years to shake off allegations, which they deny, that they contain dangerous levels of pesticide.

Mr Prakash said his drink, by contrast, was made mainly of cow urine, mixed with a few medicinal and ayurvedic herbs. He said it would be “cheap”, but declined to give further details about its price or ingredients until it was officially launched.

He insisted, however, that it would be able to compete with the American cola brands, even with their enormous advertising budgets. “We’re going to give them good competition as our drink is good for mankind,” he said. “We may also think of exporting it.” The Times. India to launch cow urine as soft drink (Sasa Kralj/AP): Welcome to your new vending machine…Jeremy Page, Delhi Plight of 450 million Indian enslaved Untouchables.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:53PM HKT
The drink is the latest attempt by the RSS – which was founded in 1925 and now claims eight million members – to cleanse India of foreign influence and promote its ideology of Hindutva, or Hindu-ness.

Hindus revere cows and slaughtering them is illegal in most of India. Cow dung is traditionally used as a fuel and disinfectant in villages, while cow urine and dung are often consumed in rituals to “purify” those on the bottom rungs of the Hindu caste system.

In 2001, the RSSand its offshoots – which include the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party – began promoting cow urine as a cure for ailments ranging from liver disease to obesity and even cancer.

The movement has often been accused of using more violent methods, such as killing 67 Christians in the eastern state of Orissa last year, and assaulting women in a pub in Mangalorelast month. It also has a history of targeting foreign businessin India, as in 1994, when it organised a nationwide boycott of multinational consumer goods, including Pepsi and Coca Cola.


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:52PM HKT
are you closing eye on religious falun gong massacred by PLA????

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:49PM HKT
Hindu extremists offer rewards to kill Christians

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:49PM HKT
Christians in India raped & murdered by Hinduists supported by network in the US

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:47PM HKT
history....guna and sara....

history..........

Now???

Sudra Holocaust:Ongoing Genocide of millions of Dalits in India Dalit leader Dr. Ambedkar struggled to emancipate the “untouchables” from the shackles of Hindu prescribed slavery– the caste system.

Ambeekar wanted to free the Dalits& to allow them to regain their inalienable rights as human beings–highlighting the servitude, humiliation, trials & tribulations of being born in a low caste family and struggled to uplift the “untouchables”, the indigenous people, women & other disadvantaged sections of society.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:46PM HKT
Today, suicide among females in China is at an extraordinarily high rate, reckoned to be the highest in the world. This typically occurs among poorly educated rural women. Because of the difficulties in transportation in the rural environment, women who attempt suicide are frequently successful in ending their lives because they cannot be brought to medical care early enough to be treated successfully. Some researchers, such as Canadian physician Michael Phillips have called to light this phenomenon, and authorities in China are gradually awakening to the problem.

During the Cultural Revolution in China (1966-1976), numerous publicly-known figures, especially intellectuals and writers, are reported to have committed suicide, typically to escape persecution, typically at the hands of the Red Guards. Some, or perhaps many, of these reported suicides are suspected by many observers to have, in fact, not been voluntary but instead the result of mistreatment. Some reported suicides include famed writer Lao She, among the best-known 20th century Chinese writers, and journalist Fan Changjiang.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:44PM HKT
if u write nonsense here, i will do extra a bit....thats all no over exaggerate..

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:42PM HKT
the combine wealth of mukesh ambani (45billion) and anil ambani (40 billion) at todays market price are number 1 against bill gates.... if dhirubhai ambani lives today, he is the richest man in the world.... sorry...no chinese in top 10 also.... all are americans and indians only

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:42PM HKT
the combine wealth of mukesh ambani (45billion) and anil ambani (20 billion) at todays market price are number 1 against bill gates.... if dhirubhai ambani lives today, he is the richest man in the world.... sorry...no chinese in top 10 also.... all are americans and indians only

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sara @ January 11, 2010 02:41PM HKT
To louis:
U talked about women sucide in india see what is happening in china

china women sucide:
1)In China, one woman kills herself every four minutes.
2)China is the only country in the world where more women commit suicide than men.
3)Every year, 1.5 million women attempt to take their own lives, and a further 150,000 succeed in doing so.
4)Many marriages are arranged and operate like business deals in which the groom's parents "buy" the bride, and she becomes part of their family.
5)By 2020, China could be short of around 40 million women, leaving many young men unable to find wives.
6)The suicide rate for women in China is 25 percent higher than for men, and the rural rate is three times the urban rate
7)38 percent said their husbands had beaten them so they commited sucide

So if u are not mentally-ill stop talking about women sucide of india

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:41PM HKT

ha...guna..check your fact...don't talk big!!!!!!!

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:39PM HKT
ayurveda based on herbs, wood and plants work better than chinese medicine and are thousands of years older than chinese traditional medicine...

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:38PM HKT

excessive one put inside the pot????

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:37PM HKT
cow dung after dried is used as fuel...like how coal is used to fire up....

or cow dung is deposited and methane produced to create electricity throughout rural india.....

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:35PM HKT
Ambani overtakes Gates to become world's richest man

By Andrew Buncombe in Delhi

A record-breaking performance by India's stock markets has put the industrialist Mukesh Ambani at the top of a list of the world's richest people.

Buoyed by unprecedented inflows from US and European investors, the benchmark Mumbai Sensex stock index topped 20,000 for the first time yesterday – having almost doubled in value in the last two years.

One of the results of the surge in share prices has been a boost for Mr Ambani's Reliance Industries, a powerhouse of the country's industrial strength and its most valuable firm. Its excellent performance, along with that of two other of the group's companies, saw the net worth of its chairman and managing director rise to $63.2bn (£30.6bn) yesterday.

The Press Trust of India reported that the increase placed Mr Ambani above such figures as Microsoft's Bill Gates and Mexico's Carlos Slim Helu, who are each worth just over $62bn.

Reliance Industries, which was founded by Mr Ambani's father, Dhirubhai, spans oil, textiles and biochemicals and has annual revenues of $27bn, close to its fellow Indian conglomerate Tata Industries. Mukesh Ambani and his estranged younger brother, Anil, split the group's assets on their father's death in 2002.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:34PM HKT

Still waiting for this from you.......interesting....

How about cow dung??? Can you check on that too. Nutritious right??

How is the taste??? You like it??

The healing properties of cow dung and cow’s urine are also mentioned in ancient Hindu texts. The research conducted by doctors at the cow-protection commission indicates that the urine can cure anything from skin diseases, kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart ailments.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:29PM HKT
bottled cow urine used and put into fire ritual...........

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:27PM HKT
look at this..... nice photo of communist girls with guns....

ht tp://fareastcynic.c om/?cat=44

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:27PM HKT

Indian coke...wow...cow...wow...cow...cow....cow...urine....wow....

Bottled cow urine...wow...cow...cow...wow cow wow cow cow.....urine

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:24PM HKT

Indian coke!!!!!!!!!!wow!!!!!!!!wow wow!!!!!!

The Times of London reports that the Cow Ruine drinking is very popular in India and now an international franchise to bottle and sell the urine is being launched in India. Cow Urine is sold ubiquitously in all part of India and is supposedly a cure all for all diseases.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:23PM HKT
The Times of London reports that the Cow Ruine drinking is very popular in India and now an international franchise to bottle and sell the urine is being launched in India. Cow Urine is sold ubiquitously in all part of India and is supposedly a cure all for all diseases.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:22PM HKT
i dont know your age, chinky, but u totally behaving like a retarded pig....
chinese normally has nose that flat and nostril as big ...........

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:22PM HKT
Dr. Virender Kumar Jain, BBC and agency reports| Urine drinking is not just a quirk or the idiosyncratic behaviour of the rich and demented. Urine drinking in India is a part and parcel of the Hindu culture. Brahmanic Ayurvedic medicine proffers many cures by drinking Urine. It is a religious duty to drink Urine. The BBC reports that it is official Indian policy to urge her citizens to eat rats. The starving Indians may not have much of a choice. There is nothing else to eat in “Incredible India”. Perhaps rats would go well with the other Indian habit–drinking urine.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:20PM HKT
i dnot know what u talking fool............. most indians and hindus in india are vegetarians...

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:20PM HKT

How about cow dung??? Can you check on that too. Nutritious right??

How is the taste??? You like it??

The healing properties of cow dung and cow’s urine are also mentioned in ancient Hindu texts. The research conducted by doctors at the cow-protection commission indicates that the urine can cure anything from skin diseases, kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart ailments.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:19PM HKT
chinese in the US like you are jealous of indians as people like slope is earning many times more than beggar chinese like u and most chinese are suspected as double agent of CHINA......

thats why u people never get in to NASA...

u go and eat you beggar chicken....

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 02:18PM HKT

wow!!!!!!!

so nice, cow urine.....

so, You indeed have your roasted rats with a glass of cow urine??? Nice????

The BBC reports that it is official Indian policy to urge her citizens to eat rats. The starving Indians may not have much of a choice. There is nothing else to eat in “Incredible India”. Perhaps rats would go well with the other Indian habit–drinking urine.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:16PM HKT
10. Potassium K Cures hereditary rheumatism. Increases appetite. Removes muscular weakness and laziness.
11. Manganese Mn Germicidal, stops growth of germs, protects decay due to gangrene.
12. Carbolic acid HCOOH Germicidal, stops growth of germs and decay due to gangrene
13. Calcium Ca Blood purifier, bone strengthener, germicidal
14. Salt NaCl Decreases acidic contents of blood, germicidal
15. Vitamins A,B,C,D,E Vitamin B is active ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive ingredient for energetic life and saves from nervousness and thirst, strengthens bones and reproductive power.
16. Other Minerals Increase immunity
17. Lactose C6H12O6 Gives satisfaction., strengths heart, removes thirst and nervousness.
18. Enzymes Make healthy digestive juices, increase immunity
19. Water (H2O) . It is life giver. Maintains fluidity of blood, maintains body temperature
20. Hipuric acid CgNgNox . Removes toxins through urine
21. Creatinin C4HgN2O2 Germicide
22. Aurum Hydroxide AuOH It is germicidal and increases immunity power. AuOH is highly antibiotic and anti-toxic

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 02:16PM HKT
idiot....we dont drink cow urine or eat rats.... only chinese eat rat, tortoise and frogs, cats and dogs.....

go and study the properties of cow urine..... there is a research going on...

1. Nitrogen N2 ,NH2 Removes blood abnormalities and toxins, Natural stimulant of urinary track, activates kidneys and it is diuretic.
2. Sulphur S Supports motion in large intestines. Cleanses blood.
3. Ammonia NH3 Stabilise bile, mucous and air of body. Stabilises blood formation.
4. Copper Cu Controls built up of unwanted fats
5. Iron Fe Maintains balance and helps in production of red blood cells & haemoglobin. Stabilises working power.
6. Urea CO(NH2)2 Affects urine formation and removal. Germicidal.
7. Uric Acid C5H4N4O3 Removes heart swelling or inflammation. It is diuretic therefore destroys toxins.
8. Phosphate P Helps in removing stones from urinary track.
9. Sodium Na Purifies blood. Antacid


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 01:02PM HKT

guna, I have my Peking duck...

You have your roasted rats with a glass of cow urine??? Nice????

The BBC reports that it is official Indian policy to urge her citizens to eat rats. The starving Indians may not have much of a choice. There is nothing else to eat in “Incredible India”. Perhaps rats would go well with the other Indian habit–drinking urine.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 01:01PM HKT
| NEW YORK | RUPEE NEWS | February 16th, 2008 | Compiled from Telgraphc of India (G.S. Radhakrishna), Dr. Virender Kumar Jain, BBC and agency reports| Urine drinking is not just a quirk or the idiosyncratic behaviour of the rich and demented. Urine drinking in India is a part and parcel of the Hindu culture. Brahmanic Ayurvedic medicine proffers many cures by drinking Urine. It is a religious duty to drink Urine. The BBC reports that it is official Indian policy to urge her citizens to eat rats. The starving Indians may not have much of a choice. There is nothing else to eat in “Incredible India”. Perhaps rats would go well with the other Indian habit–drinking urine.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:56PM HKT
It was first revealed by Prime Minister Morarjee Desai that he drank his own piss. So started a huge furor. Then it was disocovered that many temples advocate piss-drinking and many holy men do it. Ordinary Indians also do it routinely.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:56PM HKT
Urine as soft drink launched in India: Times Report

The Times of London reports that the Cow Ruine drinking is very popular in India and now an international franchise to bottle and sell the urine is being launched in India. Cow Urine is sold ubiquitously in all part of India and is supposedly a cure all for all diseases.

The question is not whether the RSS wants to sell Gaumutra (literally Cow Urine), the question is how can a society accept this sort of nonsense which s based on superstitions, illiteracyand ignorance. The amazing thing is that despite the tall claims of a vibrant India–the society in general all across the land of the Ganges remains deeply steeped in superstition, penury and ancient beliefs that have no relation to science or medicine.

One is astounded at the number of people in India that belive that Gaumutra can cure cancer, heart disease and AIDs to name a few. A country cannot march into the 21st century or fool the world into believing that it is marching towards progress if it drinks urine.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:53PM HKT
The healing properties of cow dung and cow’s urine are also mentioned in ancient Hindu texts. The research conducted by doctors at the cow-protection commission indicates that the urine can cure anything from skin diseases, kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart ailments.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:51PM HKT
USA Congress condemns Mohandas Gandhi’s racism

November 10, 2009 at 10:44 pm · Filed under Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi and tagged: US Congress condemns Mohandas Gandhi, USA Congress condemns Mohandas Gandhi's racism

You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 12:44PM HKT
read this n comment.......


htt p://w ww.theepochtimes.c om/n2/content/view/26065/

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 12:44PM HKT
read this n comment.......


htt p://w ww.theepochtimes.c om/n2/content/view/26065/

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:21PM HKT
Proof with image attached of new species of Indian beast raping minority women...

I feel very sorry for them......
Wolrd, do something to help them from the hand of the sanctimoniousness Indians.

Attachment: Manipuri women nude protest.jpg (2009-9-10 09:59 AM, 27.16 K)

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:18PM HKT
these BEAST in India......

Charges rights campaigner T Singh, "The number of cases of rights violations, torture and rape by security forces has increased manifold. The Special Powers Armed Forces Act prevalent here gives security forces unlimited powers and impunity against rights violations."

"Our reports say there were at least 50 cases of third degree tortures on innocent civilians accused of aiding militancy in the past one year. At least a dozen custodial deaths were reported in the same period, while a number of cases have gone unreported."

In October last year, 15-year-old Sanjita Devi committed suicide after being allegedly molested by army soldiers in Manipur. The army instituted a court of inquiry, but the findings were never made public.

Says another women's leader, Sarojini Devi, "Such inquiries are nothing but a farce."

There are over 19 separatist groups active in Manipur, bordering Myanmar, with demands ranging from secession to greater autonomy and the right self-determination.

More than 10,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Manipur in the past two decades. Even the state government admits there were excesses committed by armed forces on the civilians.

But for now, Manipur is in turmoil with the women folk determined to intensify their protests.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:16PM HKT
Inhuman India....pass on to every corners to see true colours of India.

Bowing to mounting pressure, the Assam Rifles Saturday removed an unspecified number of soldiers from duty against whom there was a court of inquiry ordered to probe the alleged custodial death.

Assures Assam Rifles spokesman Major SD Goswami, "Anybody found guilty would be punished." The state government has also ordered a probe following rising pressure from women's groups.

But women's groups in the state have refused to call off their agitation even after the suspected soldiers were said to be taken off duty.

Says Leirik Devi, "Until and unless we get a concrete assurance from the authorities that cases like rape or custodial killings will not recur, and stern action is taken against those errant soldiers, we are not going to stop our agitation."

"We cannot stop atrocities committed on the women by security forces unless we resort to radical forms of protest like stripping in public."

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:14PM HKT
rape.......rape.........in India

"This protest is not going to die down until and unless the guilty soldiers are punished. Even if someone is involved in militancy, he or she should be brought to the court of law and not just killed or raped," lashes out Leirik Devi, president of the Kangla Mei, another powerful women rights group.

She vows, "We are prepared to shed blood but cannot allow the soldiers to outrage the modesty of our daughters. This protest will intensify."

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:14PM HKT
Beast......sanctimoniousness Indians....

On Thursday, hundreds of women had stormed the Assam Rifles headquarters in Imphal, with at least 40 parading naked and holding placards that read: "Indian Army rape us" and "Indian Army takes our flesh."

Authorities imposed an indefinite curfew fearing more protests. But women in hundreds started defying the curfew from Friday night by taking to the streets, prompting the police to resort to force to keep the protestors at bay.

On Sunday, protestors torched at least half-a-dozen government buildings, making authorities cut short a curfew relaxation.

"We want to punish the soldiers involved in the brutal killing of Manorama and so we are demanding handing over the errant soldiers to us," says Memchaoubi Devi, president of the women's rights group Porei Lemarol Meira Phaibi Apunba Manipur.

She adds, "It is better to protest naked than allow the soldiers to kill and rape our women."

A total of 32 women's groups have come under one platform to protest the killing. Women in Manipur are known for taking up cudgels against social issues.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:10PM HKT
Women Rage Against 'Rape' in Northeast India

IMPHAL (Manipur), - After torching government buildings and parading naked to protest the suspected custodial rape and killing of a woman by federal soldiers, women in Manipur vow to intensify their fight against frequent atrocities in the restive northeast Indian state.

An indefinite curfew is in force in Manipur, bordering Myanmar, to quell the uprising, with troops bursting teargas shells, water cannons and firing rubber bullets to disperse hundreds of women trying to break prohibitory orders.

Naked women protestors shout slogans against the alleged rape, torture and murder of Thangjam Manorama by paramilitary soldiers in Imphal, capital of northeastern Indian state of Manipur, Thursday, July 15, 2004. In a highly unusual protest, some 40 women stripped naked and staged an angry demonstration outside the Assam Rifles base to protest the death in custody of 32-year old Manorama. (AP Photo/Str)

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:09PM HKT
India..........a hopeless filed nation

Despite all this largesse, bestowed almost unthinkingly by the Central Government in an effort to buy friends and influence people, a majority of people in the region remain poor. Infrastructure, whether it is roads or electricity, is in a shambles and there has been little new investment in business ventures or industrial centres.

So, where does all this money go? A substantial part returns to New Delhi by ‘‘unofficial means’’ and routes, enabling politicians and others who benefit to purchase real estate in the national capital and elsewhere in its neighbourhood. It also helps them to buy influence in political parties as well as the Government.Some of the money is pocketed in the states by local politicians and bureaucrats; some of it even goes to militant and extortionist groups as protection money from the former group. Businessmen and industry add their mite to this ‘‘militant’’ kitty. The failure has not just been in terms of macro planning.

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harisuck @ January 11, 2010 11:28AM HKT
Slope

Your conspiracy theory is only made up by you. First of all, China doesn't have to brag like you once it had accomplished something. For example, China produced J-10 at 2003 but didn't publicly acknowledge it until 2006. India, on the other hand, brag about a nuclear sub without any reactors. Now that is bragging.

Also, India has one of the weakest intelligence agency. I guess the agency think like you do. Do not steal!!!! At the same time, give others when they want!!!! I am wondering if most Indian spies are double agents for other countries, include the US.h

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 09:18AM HKT
read this n comment.......


htt p://w ww.theepochtimes.c om/n2/content/view/26065/

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 09:17AM HKT
interesting.... why are you not suitable, louis/harisucker/coolie??

BEIJING, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- Almost five times as many Chinese women as men worry that they may not be able to find a suitable spouse, a survey shows.

Approximately 41.2 percent of women with an average age of 30 expressed such concerns, as opposed to only 8.1 percent of men, Xinhua reported Sunday.

But while around 40 percent of women said they had high expectations from a potential husband, 44 percent said they would not lower their standards simply to get married, the survey showed.

The survey was conducted jointly over a three-year period by the China Association of Marriage and Family Studies, the Committee of Match-making Service Industries under the China Association of Social Workers, and Baihe.com, a Chinese match-making Web site.

More than 2.02 million respondents, reached through online questionnaires or by random street encounters, participated in the survey, Xinhua reported.

"Many single people especially women are confused in their criteria of a suitable spouse under the pressure from society and work," said Fan Aitian, CAMF general-secretary.

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:46AM HKT
Barak Hussein Obama has only three more years to go and that loser will be history. Americans are not going to re-elect dems for quite some time. so the Reps will return. same as george bush, the neoconservative hawk. once again he is going to arm twist china. China, the self proclaimed super power will watch helplessly once again US hitting her much harder than "kosovo incident". Russians are already fed up with PLA (pooh loving a$$holes) and most likely not willing to offer any of its modern weaponary (which blunted Israel's air strikes last year). Remember china has myriads of enemies around her.

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slope @ January 11, 2010 08:36AM HKT
"harisuck promised about Noshir Gowadia", so harisucker!!! whats your point? the man who developed this cutting edge technology was not a chinese but Indo-American, who betrayed his country USA by selling the sensitive tech to chinamen, who are experiencing trouble in every field. china can do only 3 things.
1. reverse engineer which is only good for appearance not performance
2. espionage or pay high price for stealing the tech like this
3. prove itself complete dummy which manifests in every field
I don't want the answer from that 1/2 breed luigi, but here is the answer to my questions.
1. china failed miserably to develop the fastest chip and stopped bragging
2. china's chang'e 1 failed miserably to enter the moon's orbit that is why it could not post more than one photoshopped moon pic (one of the Apollo missions)
3. do I need say about the failure of its turbo fan engine for its fighter aircrafts for over 20 years?

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harisuck @ January 11, 2010 05:55AM HKT
gunasekar

Why don't you save your article about the doom of Chinese economy until after it happens. One day, it will happen. But until then, its pointless for you to predict the doom year after year and you never get it right thus far.

In reality, I also know that one day China will suffer a great depression nad its economy will regress. But I can say this about all countries on earth. So all your predictions and analysis about how china is going to fall have been predicted for 30 plus years. Wait for it to happen then talk about it will make you look smarter.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:41AM HKT
The problem is that China did not
always invest wisely. One way to measure this is to look at
the incremental capital output ratio (ICOR).

This measures the
extra investment needed to produce each unit of additional
output. In China, the ICOR in recent years was 4.4. In India,
it was 3.7.

In other words, China required $4.40 of
investment to achieve $1 of growth while India only needed
$3.70 of investment for an additional dollar of growth3.
Why the difference?

The answer has much to do with the
systems of financial intermediation in each country. Much of
China’s investment was undertaken by state-run companies
borrowing from state-run banks.

These companies made
investments often on the basis of political goals rather than
economic considerations.

It was more important to create output and
employment. markets usually allocate resources more efficiently than governments.
China’s state-run companies ate up much of the
country’s domestic savings. Entrepreneurs never had a
chance.

to the degree that efficient investment took
place, its often due to actions of foreign companies
investing in China. China excessively dependent on foreign capital. In India, private sector played bigger role in financial intermediation.
the remainder was allocated efficiently than in China.

Small startups had an opportunity to obtain
funding. The result was creation of companies as
Wipro and Infosys.


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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:34AM HKT
In part this unsustainable growth has been due
to rapid money supply expansion, itself the result of a policy
of maintaining a low valued currency.

To maintain a fixed exchange rate, China must print money in order to purchase the excess dollars entering the country. The rapid expansion
of money supply has fed into the banking system, causing excessive lending by state-run banks and, consequently, excessive investment.

Indeed investment spending grew very rapidly in the past several years. To slow the economy, the government has discouraged some investments, curtailed some forms of credit, and started a process of currency revaluation. So far growth remains above the government’s target, but this could change.

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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:29AM HKT
One of the groups that Gao has been most prominent in defending has been the religious movement, Falun Gong. Members of this group have been on the receiving end of some of the most brutal abuse imaginable. Many foreign observers are easily frightened off by the Chinese government's designation of it as an "evil cult", but Falun Gong is a harmless Buddha-school set of spiritual exercises that is persecuted mainly because its popularity is deemed to pose a threat to the "guiding role" of the Chinese Communist party. A decade ago it had up to 100 million adherents.


Falun Gong supporters are routinely imprisoned for their beliefs and are believed by Manfred Nowak to make up the majority of prisoners subjected to torture. But they are also the principal victims of China's most horrific crime against humanity – the harvesting of human organs from prisoners to supply the country's burgeoning transplant business. With transplants running at more than 10,000 a year, and with a harvested heart fetching up to $160,000, this is a profitable enterprise for the People's Liberation Army which organises it and pockets the proceeds.



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gunasekar @ January 11, 2010 04:26AM HKT
Trashed Environment

One of China’s problems is that in its frantic bid to become an economic superpower, she has trashed her environment. I personally witnessed some of this on my own visits in 2006 and 2007. The streams were so polluted that the water was green, and I could not see even one inch below the surface. There was an insecticide smell in the air. The streets and sidewalks were dirty and dusty. Trash was placed in concrete structures, which were about two or three times the size of a telephone booth. Sniffing dogs and flies were nearby. Other sources assert that the reckless harvesting of wood has caused desertification and ongoing loss of farmland, especially in the drier north. Upon my visit to South Korea in 2008, a college professor suggested that the Three Gorges Dam was the cause of the tragic earthquake in the Sichuan Province. He mentioned that moving a massive amount of weight on the earth’s surface could produce such a disturbance, even claiming that the Chinese Communist Party may have been aware of the risks before hand, but, he maintained, such a loss of life would not matter to them.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 03:31AM HKT

January 10, 2010
China’s economy rebounds with 56% annual rise in imports

Chinese government economists, usually cautious in their assessments, hailed the strength of trade in December — albeit from a low base rate after exports slumped a year ago.

The surge in export trade was matched by an even bigger leap in December's imports, which rose 55.9 per cent year-on-year to $112.3 billion (£70 billion), much more than the expected 31.0 per cent rise. That squeezed China’s trade surplus down to $18.4 billion compared with $19.1 billion in November and $39 billion in December 2008.

That rise reflected China’s stronger economic growth, driven by a 4 trillion yuan (£400 billion) stimulus package unveiled in November 2008 and by demand for imported raw materials and consumer goods at a time when demand in the United States and other foreign markets is weaker.

It also enabled China to overtake Germany as the as the world's biggest exporter — a new sign of the rapid Chinese rise as a global economic force. China’s new status is largely symbolic but reflects the ability of its resilient, low-cost manufacturers to keep selling abroad despite a collapse in global consumer demand due to the financial crisis.

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harisuck @ January 11, 2010 01:13AM HKT
Here is the article I promised about Noshir Gowadia, the Indian scientist that billed himself as "father of B2 propulsion" sold secrets to PRC

htt p://e n.wikipedia.or g/wi ki/Noshir_Gowadia

for more reliable source. goto

ht tp://w ww.smirkingchimp.co m/thread/2950

ht tp://w ww.nriinternet.co m/NRI_terrorist/USA/Noshir_Gowadia/Index.h tm

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:21AM HKT
Slope: Why it has taken almost 20 years to develop the turbo engine but it is still nowhere near it? it recently asked russia for another 500 RD-93 engines for its J-17 (replica of F-16 design borrowed from the pakis).

You will never know what is really in the Chinese pocket. It is anybody's guess.

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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:20AM HKT
slope: why did china brag about developing the fastest CPU and then all of a sudden it stopped talking about CPU?

Because Chinese do first, say later; Indian talk first, do later, or never do.


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Louis @ January 11, 2010 12:18AM HKT
slope: why did china not post any moon pictures (just one photoshopped) from it's chang'e 1 which it claims that it orbited the moon for 2 and 1/2 years?

Lest Indians copy them and say they are theirs.

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slope @ January 10, 2010 11:57PM HKT
sara and gunesekar!!!!
don't waste time with these paki luigi/nazree and harisuck. I prefer to see these suicide jihadis personally and have a debate with these two trolls. they can learn thru "30 seconds" solution. one is in canada and the other claims to be in US. I say anytime, any place to these two goons.

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slope @ January 10, 2010 11:52PM HKT
luigi, harisuck/cooliehead, answer my question
harisuck (cooliehead), don't be a wise guy. I have asked this question many times before, if you have the brains answer this.
why did china not post any moon pictures (just one photoshopped) from it's chang'e 1 which it claims that it orbited the moon for 2 and 1/2 years?
why did china brag about developing the fastest CPU and then all of a sudden it stopped talking about CPU?
Why it has taken almost 20 years to develop the turbo engine but it is still nowhere near it? it recently asked russia for another 500 RD-93 engines for its J-17 (replica of F-16 design borrowed from the pakis).
china can only be an economic super power of the "dollar stores". I have yet to wait and see what sort of automobile it will ever export.

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 11:37PM HKT
Ferrari and bullock cart.......Ferrari and bullock cart.......

scarily Indian talking big..........
scary!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The scary thing for Indians is that, from my experience, their leaders and politicians have no real concept of how far behind China they are, content to believe all that guff about being a rising superpower, when in reality China is to India as a Ferrari is to a bullock cart.

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ferrari and bullock cart.......Ferrari and bullock cart.......

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:31PM HKT
read this n comment.......
reasonable article....

htt p://w ww.theepochtimes.c om/n2/content/view/26065/

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 09:42PM HKT
a child and a superman....a child and a superman....a child and a superman....

Whether it’s building power stations – look at Mumbai’s travails this summer, with some industries only having power four days a week – or roads, the main road connecting Delhi with its airport looks like it was made by a child compared to Beijing’s superhighways, India comes up way short of China time and again.

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster
a child and a superman....a child and a superman....a child and a superman....

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 09:30PM HKT
dont u have any home made stuff to compare????

there are bullock cart in india...but the ferrari belongs the italians....

chinese are just slaves like during the building of the great wall....now slaves of factory....

china got no entrepreneurs ...
no world class companies ......

rely on FDI for growth .....



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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 09:26PM HKT
how did u feel in 1999???

On May 7, 1999 during the NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia (Operation Allied Force), five US JDAM bombs hit the People's Republic of China Embassy in the Belgrade district of New Belgrade, killing three PRC citizens and outraging the Chinese public.

In sworn testimony before a congressional committee, Central Intelligence Agency director George Tenet later admitted the strike on the Chinese embassy was the only one in the Kosovo campaign organized and directed by his agency[1][2], though he still claimed it was accidental.

the US bombed China on purpose for their support of Serbia (autocracy and genocide as usual).....

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:56PM HKT

scarily Indian talking big..........
scary!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The scary thing for Indians is that, from my experience, their leaders and politicians have no real concept of how far behind China they are, content to believe all that guff about being a rising superpower, when in reality China is to India as a Ferrari is to a bullock cart.

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 08:48PM HKT
well, so great is china, when shody works of schools, bridges and building collapsed after the earthquake killing thousands of chinky chinese......

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 08:46PM HKT
well if china so good, go back louis of west coat america..............just get lost from USA >>>>>>

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 08:45PM HKT
can u get a job in NASA, chinaman???????

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:42PM HKT

scary!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The scary thing for Indians is that, from my experience, their leaders and politicians have no real concept of how far behind China they are, content to believe all that guff about being a rising superpower, when in reality China is to India as a Ferrari is to a bullock cart.

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:41PM HKT
I hope I can say this without offending the residents of the city where my three children were born and I had so much fun and friendship, but Beijing is a city on an entirely different level to New Delhi.

How can India, with all its messy democratic politics, compete with China when it comes to regenerating its dirty and decrepit cities, of which New Delhi is a perfect example?

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 08:37PM HKT
your jim roger is outdated......

indian literacy at the moment is at
India 70.0% (2009)overall 85% (2009)youth

in some states its 90%++

Indian telecommunication industry, with 506.04 million mobile phone connections (Nov 2009) is the third largest telecommunication network in the world and the second largest in terms of number of wireless connections.[3] The Indian telecom industry is one of the fastest growing in the world and is projected that India will have 'billion plus' mobile users by 2015.[4][5]

Subsequently, after the telecommunication policies were revised to allow private operators, companies such as Vodafone, Bharti Airtel, Tata Indicom, Idea Cellular, Aircel and Loop Mobile have entered the space. see major operators in India. In 2008-09, rural India outpaced urban India in mobile growth rate.[7]

India's mobile phone market is the fastest growing in the world, with companies adding some 16.67 million new customers a month.[8]

total number of telephones in the country crossed the 543 million mark on Oct 2009.In the wireless segment, 17.65 million subscribers have been added in Nov 2009. The total wireless subscribers (GSM, CDMA & WLL (F)) base is more than 543.20 million now. The wireline segment subscriber base stood at 37.16 million with a decline of 0.13 million in Nov 2009.



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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:30PM HKT
scary!!!!!!!!!!!!

The scary thing for Indians is that, from my experience, their leaders and politicians have no real concept of how far behind China they are, content to believe all that guff about being a rising superpower, when in reality China is to India as a Ferrari is to a bullock cart.

Can India ever catch up with China? By Peter Foster

scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:29PM HKT

Can India ever catch up with China?
By Peter Foster

Whether it’s building power stations – look at Mumbai’s travails this summer, with some industries only having power four days a week – or roads, the main road connecting Delhi with its airport looks like it was made by a child compared to Beijing’s superhighways, India comes up way short of China time and again.

The shocking figures from Unicef over child-mortality in India are yet another reminder of the extent to which a corrupt and inefficient bureaucracy is failing to invest in the people who, in the long term, must be made healthy and productive if India really wants to compete with China.

India had 2.1m child deaths in 2006 – more than any other country on earth and more than five times the number in China. Literacy statistics will tell you a similar story, as will those on nutrition and disease.

The scary thing for Indians is that, from my experience, their leaders and politicians have no real concept of how far behind China they are, content to believe all that guff about being a rising superpower, when in reality China is to India as a Ferrari is to a bullock cart.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 08:27PM HKT
stop your jim roger story............ even you have not been to india and have indian friends.....

i bet you are earning less than the indians in the US.... if you are unlucky, u might end up working under them... so are you working in citibank or pepsico??

i bet chinese like you cant get sensitive government job or in NASA or R&D centers in the US.....white americans and Obama doesnt trust u fellas...

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 08:18PM HKT
India

by Jim Rogers

India is a land of contradictions. The country produces some of the world's brightest minds and the single most successful immigrant community in the United States. Yet roughly 50 percent of its own population is illiterate. It's a country recognized by global leaders as a high-tech superpower. Still, I often couldn't make a local phone call. There's a lot of talk among those in power in India about how the Internet super-highway will speed them to prosperity. Meanwhile, endless traffic jams and a deteriorating national highway system kept us creeping along at a snail's pace as my wife and I traveled through countryside. Goods-carrying trucks can only average about 10 miles an hour crossing the country and often can be held up for days by the bureaucracy just trying to cross state lines.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 07:44PM HKT
The Census Bureau said Americans born in India have the highest percentage (69%) of people working in management, professional and related occupations.

(NASA) team lead by Kanna Rajan. And the team responsible for the entry and landing of the twin rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, is also headed by an Indian American, Prasun N. Desai.

Desai, an aerospace engineer at NASA’s Langley Research Center, Va, who led the team which supported the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, explains:

Prasun Desai heads the team responsible
for the entry and landing on the twin
rovers on Mars.

“The system that we contributed to was the entry, descent and landing system for MER, determining how we bring this Lander safely down; It was just a completely amazing experience — putting a system like this together to make it successful trying to land on another planet.”

Even as Indian Americans are an invisible presence on Mars, their native land is very much in the news with its own ambitious space program, the outsourcing of millions of jobs to India, the proliferation of call centers, the booming export market and an Indian presence in every field from science to trade to literature to cinema.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 07:40PM HKT
Washington: India-born American residents, numbering over 1.5 million, are the best educated among all the foreign born communities in the US and are also the highest earners in the country, latest census has revealed.

The median household income for US residents born in India is $91,195 against a $50,740 average for the total population, the data said.

Besides, the overall median household income for foreign-born and native US residents is $46,881 and $51,249 respectively.

Among all foreign-born residents, a massive 74% of Indians have bachelor’s or higher degree, as compared to a 27% average for all foreign-born residents, the US Census Bureau has said drawing on data from the 2007 American Community Survey. The data reveals that only 28% of natives in America have bachelor’s degrees.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 07:23PM HKT
how many thousand die in your very safe coal mines???

XINYU, China, Jan. 9 (UPI) -- The bodies of 12 miners who died in a mine fire in eastern China were brought up from underground Saturday, officials said.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 07:21PM HKT
harisucker, since china is so great why dont u leave Los Angeles or SanFrancisco and go back to your motherland.... you can stay with cooliehead and louis...

you are a disgrace to call yourself an american but supporting china...why u ever vote in the US....u must have voted Obama and Arnold but you giving good cert to communist....

lucky for u j Edgar Hoover and McCarthy not around .... maybe you dont even know them as you are a chinese double agent spying in the US.... the FBI must be on your trail....

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 07:10PM HKT
BEIJING - INTERNET giant Google has issued a public apology to Chinese writers and admitted that it scanned books under Chinese copyright for its Google Books digital library project.

A copy of the January 9 statement by the Asia-Pacific head of Google Books, Erik Hartmann, was posted on the website of the Chinese Writers Association, one of the groups leading accusations against Google, on Sunday.

Mr Hartmann also appeared on Chinese state-run television on Sunday acknowledging the practice of scanning books had angered Chinese writers.

'Through the discussions and communications of recent months, it is our understanding that our communications with Chinese writers have not been good enough,' Mr Hartmann's written statement said. 'Google is willing to apologise to Chinese authors.'

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 06:26PM HKT
See how India kills and slaughters its defenseless minorities, children, women

To give a fair account of the feeling of non-“Indianness” of the tribal peoples, it is essential to understand that the phenomenon is more or less reciprocal with the rest of India being largely ignorant of the problems and privations of the peoples of NE India. One striking example of the psychological aloofness of the Indian people from this region is the massacre at Nellie in 1976. This incident in which over 3000 men, women and children were slaughtered in one go, could engage Indian media attention for barely two weeks.

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sara @ January 10, 2010 06:06PM HKT
To louis :

u said india want to relase kashmiris as they are protesting against indian kashmir "HIGH LEVEL OF STUPIDITY FROM UR SIDE ARE U TALKING ABOUT THIS THEN Y DONT U ASK CHINA TO RELEASE TIBET AND XINANJIANG PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO PROTESTING AGAINST CHINA OCCUPATION" do u know on thing Chief-minister omar-abdullah was the close friend of Rahul-gandhi His father Farroq-abdullah was central minster for Renewable energy source And in the last election they got 60% votes from the kashmir people in support to india .SO IF CHINESE HAVE BALLS Y CANT THEY CONDUCT A ELECTION PROCESS IN TIBET OT XIANJIANG .
By this question u have asked about kashmir i think its waste talking to u

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 03:11PM HKT
If someone like Hari Sud would goes all these way to show his contempt for China. China's growth must make him really jealous and the only way for him to express his jeaousy is to lash out against China without any reason or shame.

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 02:51PM HKT
If China fabricate its numbers in trade, other nations can compare against it. So if China can become the world's largest exporter and 3rd largest importer, its imaginable that china is the world's largest consumer and producer of automobile.

Also, I'm in west coast US

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 02:20PM HKT
China exports up 17.7% in Dec

BEIJING - CHINA'S exports rose 17.7 per cent in December to hit a monthly high for 2009, state television said on Sunday, cementing the Asian power's new status as the world's biggest exporter.

Exports hit US$130.7 billion (S$182.3 billion) during the month, bringing the full-year export figure to US$1.20 trillion, China Central Television said quoting the national customs bureau.

According to CCTV, the nation's politically sensitive trade surplus hit US$18.4 billion for the month of December, while the full-year figure came to US$195 billion.

Data out of Germany last week showed that China overtook Europe's biggest economy in November to become the world's top exporting nation. -- AFP

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 02:17PM HKT
Hundreds protest in Kashmir Jan 9, 2010

SRINAGAR (India) - HUNDREDS of residents staged a protest against Indian rule on Saturday outside a UN office in Indian Kashmir's main city, accusing the police of shooting a teenaged boy, witnesses said.

The protesters said the 16-year-old Muslim boy was fatally injured in firing by police during an anti-government demonstration the previous day in Kashmir's summer capital Srinagar. The boy died in hospital on Saturday, sparking the protest. Police said they were investigating the death.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:46PM HKT
i am from kuala lumpur.... which city you are from....what time is there nos...here is 1246noon

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:43PM HKT
I'm not borned in China. I'm an American. I do not live in Chinatown. Are you sure you are from malaysia? What Indian language do you speak?

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:40PM HKT
so american harisuck...........are u naturalized citizen or born in china ??

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:39PM HKT
i am from malaysia.....how many times i need to tell here....harisuck
so are u a chinese american??? which chinatown u live in??? i am not harisud or whatever.....

whats ur name??

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:36PM HKT
interesting...........indian selling tech fro USA to china....so you do admit chinese are a bunch of robbers....even if there was an indian stole....he cant sell in india...because indians and their government wont buy it.........

even whiteman have been sentenced to jail for selling secrets to China.............. some people are greed.... who are the biggest guilty part...the seller or buyer/..... definitely the buyer....

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:35PM HKT
I'm still waiting for you to providing me sites on where India ranked in its export capability and automobile consumption and production

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:33PM HKT
"majority chinese products to India are foreign brand manufacturing base in China....

the rest are the low class export quality from local chinese companies which is cheap "

This can be said of the auto industry in India. Also, I'm an American. I was not borned in China.

How about you, gunasekar, are you Hari Sud or his son? Where are you located at? Canada?

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:33PM HKT
if china is so great, will any of the chinese in chinatown in US and UK will close it and return to motherland??? what??? i heard they dont too because they will lose power as citizen to vote and elect leaders...............oooh, like that ahh american chinese??? good....

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:31PM HKT
I know of an Indian scientist in the US sells technology to China. Let me find it and I'll post it for you.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:31PM HKT
harisucker, you are not indian...we know....what are you?? alien?? if you are chinese...be proud of being chinese and admit....

i dont hate all chinese... be proud of your family, your parents....nobody here will criticize you because of your race...only the ideology....be proud and tell us man............

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:29PM HKT
majority chinese products to India are foreign brand manufacturing base in China....

the rest are the low class export quality from local chinese companies which is cheap but will last only few months....

all people of the world, dont buy chinese baby milk...stained with melamine....dont buy chinese toys, paint laced with lead and heavy metals...

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:26PM HKT
Can you provide me the 2008 or 2009 ranking of India's export, auto consumption and production. gunasekar? These are critical indicators of a countries economic growth and capability. I'm interested in where India stand. But as I'm not Indian, I don't think I can rely on info from Wiki. So I'm expecting you to provide me the most patriotic Indian web site on these ranking. Thanks

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:26PM HKT
keep on talking nonsense....u know deep inside but will not admit...chinese love to steal but indians dont do that with US, japanese and others....even though a lot of Indians work in NASA, BOEING, Los Alamos nuclear facility, Particle Accelerator Complex etc.....no case at all...zero espionage from Indians....

all cases involve CHINESE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHINESSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
be ashamed..........................

thats why all chinese + paki are now regarded as untrustworthy and removed from working in sensitive field in USA.............. americans dont trust chinese blood to work for them......

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:23PM HKT
Trust me, Chinese people are quite happy with their government. They like how their government had created the fastest growing major economy in the modern time. All you and Hari Sud can say is that the numbers are made up. Just like China is India #1 trading partner lol.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:21PM HKT
i dont need to help india........india can help itself and move forward from the chinese .....

china is communist and it will fail.....no party can stop people power....not chinese, not indians, not anybody....the day people sick of living in a cage, they will revolt....remember history will always repeat ....eastern europe, soviet, nazi, osama.....all failed and will fail....next targets...china, pakistan, north korea, iran, burma, venezuela, bolivia........

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:16PM HKT
you only wish that China can steal everything. In fact, when others transfer the technology to India, India is not even capable on improving upon the technology. What a waste of technology transfer. Also, stop your jealousy ranting of China. Tell me where India rank in export, auto consumption and production and then we can continue. There is no shame in ranking below China as China is #1. Anything in the top 50 is still respectful. So come up with actual and relevant fact. If you are embarassed with india's ranking, then you should help India out by working hard instead of bragging about India when it has 0 to brag about.


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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:14PM HKT
this is from chinese website not harisud.....my god....check the website yourself

ht tp://chinadigitaltimes.n et/china/espionage/

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:13PM HKT
interesting............chinese steal everything from boeing to NASA...all stolen designs even from Russia....cant u people use your brain to think and create....not steal and make quick progress.....u all not ashamed of yourself??

from military, cars, DVD, clothing, rockets, planes, to phones everything is stolen........my god....malu la bro.....

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:13PM HKT
gunasekar

You must be Hari Sud, as the materials you present is no different from what Hari sud posted above. In any case, go ahead and look at obsecure data to put China down. It won't take away the fact that China is the #1 exporter. #1 auto manufacturer and consumer and has more foreign exchange than anyone else. Indians online do have a #1 though. Its journalist and bloggers are #1 in bragging and talking crap.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:10PM HKT
US Man Admits Illegal Space Data Exports to China
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U.S. citizen Shu Quan-Sheng has entered a guilty plea in the case charging him with selling rocket technology to China in violation of U.S. law. Reuters reports:

Shu admitted that from 2003 through October of 2007 he violated the U.S. arms export control law by providing China with assistance in the design and development of a cryogenic fueling system for space launch vehicles.

He admitted that in 2003 he violated the same law by exporting to China military technical data from a document about designing and making a liquid hydrogen tank and various pumps, valves, filters and instruments.

Shu also pleaded guilty to offering bribes of nearly $190,000 to Chinese government officials to win the award last year of a $4 million contract for a hydrogen liquefier project for a French company Shu represented, the department said.

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:09PM HKT
Chinese auto manufacturer. Since China just recently start to purchase cars in large amount. Its domestic manufactures are also recently established compare to US, EU or Japanese manufactures. I would regard that its a third world setup similar to that of India. Unless gunsekar really believe that Indian manufacture is just like Japanese and Koreans and way ahead of Chinese

Domestic manufacturers
Baolong (1998-present)
Beijing Automobile Works (1958-present)
Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corporation
BYD Auto (2003-present)
Chang'an/Chana (1990-present)
Changcheng (Great Wall) (1976-present)
Changfeng
Liebao
Changfeng Yangzi
Changhe (since 1986)
Changhe-Suzuki (since 2003)
Changhe (since 2004)
Chery (Qirui) (1997-present)
Dadi
Dongfeng (1969-present)
First Automobile Works (FAW) (1953-present)
Haima (2004-present)
Hongqi (Red Flag) (1958-present)
Huali
Tianjin FAW Xiali (1986-present)
Foton (2003-present)
Fudi (1996-present)
Fukang (1990-present)
Fuqi
Fuxing (1994-1998)
Geely (Jili) (1998-present)
Zhejiang Geely Automobile
Shanghai Maple Guorun Automobile (2003-present)
And is the majority shareholder in


LTI Shanghai Automobile
Gonow / Gonow Auto (2003-present)
Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group (GAIG) (2000-present)
Guizhou / Yunque
Hafei (1995-present)
Huachen (Brilliance)
Jinbei (1992-present)
Zhonghua (1985-present)
Huayang
Jianghuai (JAC) (1999-present)
Jiangling (JMC) (1993-present)
Landwind
Jiangnan (1988-present)
Jonway (2005-present)
Lifan (2005-present)
Nanjing Automobile Corporation (NAC) (1947-present)
Nanjing Soyat (2004-present)
Yuejin (1995-present)
New Power :
Zhong Tai (all-electric vehicle)
Shaanxi Automobile Group
Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC)
Liming (1996-1999)
Roewe
Wuling (1958-present)
Shanghai Maple Guorun Automobile (2003-present)
Sichuan Tengzhong
Shuanghuan (1998-present)
Shuguang
Soueast Motors / Dongnan
Tianma (Heavenly Horse) (1995-presemt)
Tongtian (2002-present)
Xinkai (1984-present)
Polarsun Automobile (Zhongshun) (2004-present)
Zhongxing (Zxauto) (1991-present)
Zhongyu (2004-present)
Zotye (2005-present)

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:09PM HKT
A federal judge in California found Chung guilty of six counts of economic espionage and other charges for hoarding 300,000 pages of sensitive documents in his home, including information about the U.S. space shuttle and a booster rocket.

Chung, 73, could face up to 90 years in prison at his sentencing, scheduled for November. His defense attorney said he planned to appeal.

Chung’s conviction marks the first case filed under the Economic Espionage Act. For more details of the case, see this page from the CI Centre.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:09PM HKT
China-born engineer Chi Mak has been sentenced to 24 years for spying for China, according to AFP:

Chi Mak, who worked for a US company with several Navy contracts, was convicted last May of trying to export intelligence about silent submarines in a plot that involved four members of his family.

Mak, whose age was given as 65 by justice officials, was also fined 50,000 dollars by US District Judge Cormac Carney, who said the lengthy sentence was intended to send a message to China’s intelligence services…

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:07PM HKT
Fang Jing, the TV anchor who hosted a military program on CCTV until she disappeared from the screen in May, was rumored to have been caught spying for Taiwan. Yesterday, Fang re-emerged on CCTV as the host of another program, putting an end to all the speculation.

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:06PM HKT
So what is the market share of Indian manufacturer in the US. Chinese companiesare definitely are not looking to export as its market is larger than its manufacturing capability. Japanese and Koreans are not Chinese, but they are East Asians and culturally closer to Chinese than to Indians. Also, they have established plants in India to produce cars for Indians as well as export cars out of India. They also have plants in the US and China and their focus is on these two largest market. As India has a small auto market, they need to export their cars made in India.

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:03PM HKT
gunsekar.. Thanks for point out obscure and minute achievement of India. Most people won't know that India has the largest refining complex at one site. However, save the term such as ‘Refining Hub of the World’ unless India has more refining capability than the US. Otherwise, US is still the refining hub of the world.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:01PM HKT
what car they manufacture?? toyota in china for chinese???? sorry toyota is japanese.... chinese buy geely???hahahahahha or do they buy mercedes benz????

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 12:00PM HKT
what are the chinese brand share in the US?? 0%?? no body wants to buy geely copycat???

tata trucks and ashok leyland do have presence in USA.....
chinese have none.....

japanese manufacturers and korean have large presence in USA....sorry japanese and korean are not chinese....

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 12:00PM HKT
Where do you get that China buy 99% foregin cars. China is a auto importer because it cannot manufacture enough cars. Remember that China is the #1 auto consumer and its manufactureing capabilit cannot handle domestic demands. Even though China is the #1 auto manufacture. China is suffer from too much trade surplus as its the #1 exporter. Its good to import some stuff.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:57AM HKT
The Jamnagar Refinery is a private sector crude oil refinery owned by Reliance Industries Limited in Jamnagar, India. The refinery was commissioned on 14 July 1999 with an installed capacity of 661,000 barrels per day (105,100 m3/d). It is the largest greenfield refinery in the world.

Reliance Petroleum Limited (RPL) on 25th December 2008 announced the commissioning of its refinery in a Special Economic Zone at Jamnagar, Gujarat in India. With the completion of the RPL refinery, Jamnagar has emerged as the ‘Refining Hub of the World’ with the largest refining complex with an aggregate refining capacity of 1.24 million barrels of oil per day in any single location in the world.[1]

The globally competitive RPL refinery was completed in 36 months (super speed) from concept to commissioning, which was a new benchmark for building a grass-root refinery of this scale and complexity. RPL achieved the milestone by leveraging the project management skills of the Reliance group together with world-class implementation partners like Bechtel, UOP LLC and Foster Wheeler amongst others.

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 11:56AM HKT
I think most Indians believe that the Indian companies are the ones setting plants in Japan and the USA. Gunasekar and Slope, what are the Indian brand's market share in the US?

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:54AM HKT
chinese buy 99% foreign car, domestic cars are copy cats....check the link....fraud chinese .....h ttp://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Automobile_industry_in_China.......

indians have domestic built car industry....profits retained ....in china foreign exchange outflow....

no comment on this?????
if 1 billion chinese starts driving, the whole of china roads cannot crawl.... the best countries of the world will improve on public transportation....

in europe, more emphasis given on trains, taxis, buses rather than car....unlike China and USA.....stuck in jam for hours and lose productivity like thailand.....

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Coolhead @ January 10, 2010 11:42AM HKT
Since India's car market is so tiny (19% of China's), it can only export mini cars. Most Indians cannot even afford those mini cars; while the Chinese buy most of the cars made in China. Even so, it's actually foreign car companies (Suzuki Motor Corp.,Hyundai Motor Co., and Nissan Motor Co. etc.) that are exporting cars from India, only using India's cheap labor. Forget about Indian companies, which country would buy their car?

bloomberg.com /apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aO9LxvSmKTzE

India, whose auto market is 19 percent of China’s, has the edge in exports.
Suzuki Motor Corp.,Hyundai Motor Co., and Nissan Motor Co. are making India a hub for overseas sales of minicars as incentives lift demand for smaller, fuel-efficient autos. Helped by cheaper labor and a surging local market, India this year overtook China in auto exports ... “The single-biggest opportunity in the auto industry for India is the small car,” said Vikas Sehgal, a Chicago-based partner at Booz & Co., an industry consultant. “If India loses in the small car market, it has NOTHING.”

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 11:17AM HKT
Its definitely a banner year for China. Check the description on Shanghai subway system.

htt p://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Shanghai_Metro

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 11:15AM HKT
China is enhancing its public transportation system as well as building highways. Check this site out

ht tp://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/W uhan%E2%80%93Guangzhou_High-Speed_Railway

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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 11:12AM HKT
Sounds like you are saying no foreign company would be willing to establish auto plants in India. Is that ture. If so, that would be sad. China has both foreign and domestic manufacturer. However, because of high consumption, China does not export cars. Its actually an automobile importer.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:10AM HKT
if 1 billion chinese starts driving, the whole of china roads cannot crawl.... the best countries of the world will improve on public transportation....

in europe, more emphasis given on trains, taxis, buses rather than car....unlike China and USA.....stuck in jam for hours and lose productivity like thailand.....

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:07AM HKT
chinese copycats automobiles....

h ttp://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Automobile_industry_in_China

indian automobile companies....no copycats here....

Notable Indian automobile manufacturers

* Ashok Leyland[12]
* Chinkara Motors[13]: Beachster, Hammer, Roadster 1.8S, Rockster, Jeepster, Sailster.
* Force Motors[14]
* Hindustan Motors[15]: Ambassador.
* Mahindra[16]: Major, Xylo, Scorpio.
* Maruti Suzuki[17]: 800, Alto, WagonR, Estilo, AStar, Ritz, Swift, Swift DZire, SX4, Omni, Versa, Gypsy
* Premier[18]: Sigma, Roadster.
* San Motors[19]: Storm
* Tata Motors[20]: Nano, Indica, Indigo, Sumo, Safari, TL.

[edit] Electric car companies in India

* Ajanta Group[21]
* Mahindra[22]
* Hero Electric[23]
* REVA
* Tara International[24]
* Tata Motors[25]

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 11:04AM HKT
The automobile industry in India is the ninth largest in the world with an annual production of over 2.3 million units in 2008.[1] In 2009, India emerged as Asia's fourth largest exporter of automobiles, behind Japan, South Korea and Thailand.


china Copying claims

Chinese cars have become notorious across the western world for their so-called copied designs.

Some BYD cars seem to copy those of many brands including Lexus, Toyota, Honda,[14] Mercedes Benz, and Porsche.[18] For example, the BYD F8 convertible bears great similarity to the Mercedes CLK from the front, and the Renault Megane CC or third generation Chrysler Sebring convertible from the rear.

# 7 Joint-venture manufacturers (all foreign) profits back to japan/us/france/germans

the chinese are just workers for the foreign company....

* 7.1 Toyota
* 7.2 Nissan
* 7.3 Honda
* 7.4 Suzuki
* 7.5 Mazda
* 7.6 Daihatsu
* 7.7 Mitsubishi
* 7.8 FIAT
* 7.9 Isuzu
* 7.10 Ford
* 7.11 General Motors
* 7.12 PSA Peugeot-Citroën
* 7.13 VW



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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 10:10AM HKT
China is now an auto importer as its the #1 consumer. Its also the #1 producer but its consumption is outstripping its production capability. So its a automobile importing company. China is now the world's 2nd largest consumer and it will surpass the US in near future. Can slope or gunasekar provide me where India ranked in auto consumption and production plus its global position in import and export? I'm certain with the size of India, it must be on the top ten but I just don't remember what position. Please care to provide the info. Thanks

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slope @ January 10, 2010 09:59AM HKT
harisuck (cooliehead), don't be a wise guy. I have asked this question many times before, if you have the brains answer this.
why did china not post any moon pictures (just one photoshopped) from it's chang'e 1 which it claims that it orbited the moon for 2 and 1/2 years?
why did china brag about developing the fastest CPU and then all of a sudden it stopped talking about CPU?
Why it has taken almost 20 years to develop the turbo engine but it is still nowhere near it? it recently asked russia for another 500 RD-93 engines for its J-17 (replica of F-16 design borrowed from the pakis).
china can only be an economic super power of the "dollar stores". I have yet to wait and see what sort of automobile it will ever export.

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gunasekar @ January 10, 2010 09:44AM HKT
interesting note there, harisuck.....about the nuclear sub and the test....

louis, u keep on copy paste the same thing, incident in 1976 whatever.....today is 2010....if u keep on going to past, we also can go back to 1949 civil war, 30 million chinese famine, cultural revolution, Tiananmen Square, Mao 's book burnings in Peking and elsewhere, 1950s tibet massacre.... the chinese killed tens of millions more than some indian fools killed thousands.......

the chinese are known for thousands of years kill each other and install different emperors and dictators from time to time....there will be more war to come.....the communist are just 60 years old..........

coming soon.........

future fight....taiwan + internal civil war + tibet + xinjiang + aksai chin (kashmir) vs communist china

indians have free media to highlight good and bad....even if today PLA massacred whole village in china, their 1 media wont report it....whats with the Tiananmen Square story??





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harisuck @ January 10, 2010 05:56AM HKT
Hari

You forgot to mentioned that China launched a nuclear sub without a nuclear reactor. Which make China the butt of joke all over the world

Also, China's medium missile test failed after it was inducted into the army for two straight times. If I'm the Chinese army, I would buy only foreign brand hardware, such as T-90. And buy the domestic ones for token support.

How can you put in all the minute and make up stuff and miss these two important quirks?

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 02:17AM HKT
Hundreds protest in Kashmir Jan 9, 2010

SRINAGAR (India) - HUNDREDS of residents staged a protest against Indian rule on Saturday outside a UN office in Indian Kashmir's main city, accusing the police of shooting a teenaged boy, witnesses said.

The protesters said the 16-year-old Muslim boy was fatally injured in firing by police during an anti-government demonstration the previous day in Kashmir's summer capital Srinagar. The boy died in hospital on Saturday, sparking the protest. Police said they were investigating the death.

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Louis @ January 10, 2010 02:17AM HKT

See how India kills and slaughters its defenseless minorities, children, women

To give a fair account of the feeling of non-“Indianness” of the tribal peoples, it is essential to understand that the phenomenon is more or less reciprocal with the rest of India being largely ignorant of the problems and privations of the peoples of NE India. One striking example of the psychological aloofness of the Indian people from this region is the massacre at Nellie in 1976. This incident in which over 3000 men, women and children were slaughtered in one go, could engage Indian media attention for barely two weeks.

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slope @ January 10, 2010 12:55AM HKT
"China's car industry overtakes US" by Luigi. china's population 1.7 billion peasants. US population 280 million. do your math luigi. american cars can be found all around the world but chinese cars, which one? I never heard any so far. once again the statistics coming from PLA, the usual garbage.

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slope @ January 10, 2010 12:45AM HKT
"China Tries a New Tack to Go Solar" coon shit! this 70 to 80 years old science may be a "cuttin edge technology" for your china masters but nothing new to the world.
then on the other hand, it sure is something new and amazing for the "koranic scientists"

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slope @ January 10, 2010 12:37AM HKT
I once read about the manufacturing abilities of several countries, where japan topped in every sector with only 2%. china's manufacturing losses (production waste) were around 600%, India's not that fancy either (200%), USA's 5% and Canada's around 8%.
Now simple math for nazree/luigi and cooliehead/harisuck, 600% means to make one unit you lose 6 units and 2% means you lose 2 units per 100 units. I accept challenge to reduce to 0-1% without the use of kanban or six sigma or any other fancy science. I hope the numbers will put in some senses


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Louis @ January 9, 2010 11:27PM HKT
See how India kills and slaughters its defenseless minorities, children, women

To give a fair account of the feeling of non-“Indianness” of the tribal peoples, it is essential to understand that the phenomenon is more or less reciprocal with the rest of India being largely ignorant of the problems and privations of the peoples of NE India. One striking example of the psychological aloofness of the Indian people from this region is the massacre at Nellie in 1976. This incident in which over 3000 men, women and children were slaughtered in one go, could engage Indian media attention for barely two weeks.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 11:21PM HKT
China Tries a New Tack to Go Solar
By KEITH BRADSHER
Published: January 8, 2010

HONG KONG — As it moves rapidly to become the world’s leader in nuclear power, wind energy and photovoltaic solar panels, China is taking tentative steps to master another alternative energy industry: using mirrors to capture sunlight, produce steam and generate electricity.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 10:08PM HKT
the government cannot be responsible 100% on action of few citizens....unless the government themselves do it......

on kashmir issue,.....its only hundreds marching, not millions.........use your brain....

pakis were behind attack....china 's friends...
ht tp://ibnlive.in.co m/news/how-pak-handlers-guided-srinagar-attackers/108479-3.html?from=tn


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Louis @ January 9, 2010 09:03PM HKT
The protesters - who defied a police ban on demonstrations - marched to the UN office and shouted anti-India slogans, witnesses said. The UN centre in Srinagar houses personnel who monitor violations of a ceasefire by India and Pakistan along the Line of Control, the de facto border which divides Kashmir between the two nuclear-armed rivals.

The demonstrators, including relatives of the recently deceased boy, blocked a street and demanded action against the officers alleged to have shot him.

Elsewhere in Srinagar, police fired teargas and used batons to break up similar protests, the witnesses said.

On Friday, 20 protesters and four policemen were hurt in an anti-India demonstration, which erupted a day after troops killed two militants holed up in a Srinagar hotel. -- AFP

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 09:03PM HKT
Hundreds protest in Kashmir Jan 9, 2010

SRINAGAR (India) - HUNDREDS of residents staged a protest against Indian rule on Saturday outside a UN office in Indian Kashmir's main city, accusing the police of shooting a teenaged boy, witnesses said.

The protesters said the 16-year-old Muslim boy was fatally injured in firing by police during an anti-government demonstration the previous day in Kashmir's summer capital Srinagar. The boy died in hospital on Saturday, sparking the protest. Police said they were investigating the death.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 08:17PM HKT
I agree with gunasekar the first time that :For example, the Australian Government has been one of the most respected countries in observing human rights.

Melbourne, Jan 09: In what appears to be another racial attack in Australia, an Indian-origin man was set on fire by four assailants in Melbourne early Saturday.

India: A Indian CARTOONIST has defended his controversial work likening Australian police to Ku Klux Klan.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:14PM HKT
The Coming Collapse of The Chinese Economy
By Professor Ching-hsi Chang

Special to the Epoch Times

read the article below......written by chinese professor

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:13PM HKT

There are problems everywhere in China: little incidents are becoming major riots. In the media there were 60,000 large scale riots that happened in China during 2004 (average 164 per day); but in the book titled China Second Citizen published in Hong Kong, it states there were 100,000 riots that happened in the year 2000, and went on to say that this is only the official figure, implying there are many incidents unaccounted for.

Therefore, 2004 may not be just 60,000. Any statistic from China cannot be trusted. Many people describe the current situation of CCP as sitting on top of a volcano. We shouldn’t wait until things happen then regret it.

What shall we do in the future?

We should know that the “fall of China” is inevitable. Business people should have a plan to deal with the situation. Also, for the sake of Chinese well-being and world peace, we should be caring for the democracy movement in China.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:12PM HKT
Why can the Communist Party do anything except political reform? This is because the nature of this regime is to lie and to be violent, and its sole purpose is to maintain political power. Anything that may cause the Communist Party to step down will be destroyed at the very beginning. Political reform may see the demise of the CCP, so this regime will not attempt to reform.

When we talk about the CCP’s “deceitful and violent” nature, we can talk about their denial of the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989 and more recently the fabricated self-immolation incident of January 23, 2001 in Tiananmen Square which was staged to incite hatred against Falun Gong practitioners.

After 20 odd years of so called “Reform and Openness”, the CCP still uses brutal methods to mislead the Chinese people and the rest of the world.

The Communist regime will not undertake “political reform”, because this would endanger their ruling power. Therefore, all the problems in China cannot be readily resolved. As a matter of fact, the Chinese economy will soon collapse.

When will it collapse? Could be tomorrow, or it may drag on for another year and half, but not for long.


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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:11PM HKT
2. China absorbed the second-largest foreign direct investment.

3. The Chinese government has a tightly restricted monitoring system of information; millions were spent to build the so-called “Golden Shield” system.

4. The CCP is one of the most violent, bloodied, and corrupt governments in history.

5. The corrupt nature of the CCP will make all good things turn bad. For example, the Australian Government has been one of the most respected countries in observing human rights. But it is only caring about money in its dealings with China. France and Germany are also the same. Many multinational companies are also guilty. For example, Yahoo! agreed with the Communist regime to delete all information with key words that it does not like, such as human rights, democracy, and Falun Gong. Will the economic miracle last?

No. The reasons are simple. Firstly all problems in China, including economic problems, are political problems. Those problems will only be resolved through political reform. To say all problems in China are political problems, I provide an example: when the Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jia Bao wanted to cool down the economy, he said, the overheated problem is not an economic problem; it is a political system problem.


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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:10PM HKT
The Coming Collapse of The Chinese Economy
By Professor Ching-hsi Chang

Special to the Epoch Times

While the positive side seems to have a long list, the list of the dark side is even longer. Basically, I divided China’s economic problems into two categories: macro-economic problems and socio-economic problems.

For macro-economic problems, there are issues of government budget, national income account, banking and financial market, and state enterprises. For socio-economic problems, there are issues of unemployment, income and wealth distribution, farmers and agriculture, mass corruption, declining social morals, failing education, huge environment and ecology problems.

Moreover, there are two more problems above these problems: one is that government official statistics are not reliable; the second one is that after the “reform and open” policy over the past 25 years the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has not changed as a political system. The CCP has not changed its nature in the slightest way at all.

There are too many problems to explain one by one in so short a space. I will briefly introduce them, and then give you some examples.

I think that there are five factors for this real miracle:

1. Chinese people have highest saving rate; more than 40 per cent of income has been saved.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 08:03PM HKT
enron and worldcom was considered top companies until they found out that the P&L, assets, liabilities all have been cooked up and falsifies for years and eventually led to its collapse....

same with china, nobody to verify.....problems concealed, one day, people will find out and it will bust.....if it can happen to dubai, it will surely will happen to china.................

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 06:40PM HKT
China IPO financing ranks first in the world in 2009
[Date:12-17-2009]
According to the latest data released by Dealogic, a well-known market research firm in Britain, China's IPO financing in 2009 amounted to US$51.6 billion, ranking first in the world and almost being the twice as much as US$26.5 billion of the US.

Hari, you just jealous of China gaining more and more of number One, here another one.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 05:55PM HKT
chinese pollution are the worst in the world......cancer, birth deformity, breathing difficulty, lungs spoilt due to smog air, etc etc.....are on the rise......

all rivers and air are polluted worst than the US ..... Japanese and EU impose strict laws on emission and waste water and industrial waste......

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 05:51PM HKT
more cars on street means more jam.......if u travel in bangkok, u will know.....

europeans countries are ahead on creating public transport + singapore .....
stuck in traffic means hours lost on productivity.....

chinese will realise this late....

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everyone knows made in china levis, bridgestone, sony, are japanese and american products produced by chinese slave workers with very low pay....

but enough to buy a meal of pork chop.... or at least frog soup, if not eat stray dogs and cats....

chinese home made products spoilt fast........ most are low quality and wont last long unlike japanese and american products....they able to sell on bulk because its cheap......


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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 05:45PM HKT
ht tp://ww w.themalaysianinsider.co m/index.php/world/49001-zhao-blamed-jiang-for-graft-in-china

no comment on zhao's words about china??? scared to comment harisucker and louis, coolheads....??

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 04:35PM HKT
Hari, you just jealous of China gaining more and more of number One, here another one.

China's car industry overtakes US
Tuesday, 10 February 2009
By Chris Hogg
BBC Shanghai Correspondent

He's not surprised that China is challenging the US for the top spot in car sales worldwide, although he believes it will be "sometime between 5 to ten years" before China outsells the US on a regular basis.

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harisuck @ January 9, 2010 04:29PM HKT
I think India should be included in any Asian free trade bloc. India defintely has something to offer. I love Indian food.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 03:30PM HKT
Hari, The Economists says NO to you.You have no common sense!

A DECADE after it was first mooted, the world’s largest free-trade area by population came broadly into effect on January 1st. The agreement between China and the ten-country Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN) covers nearly 1.9 billion people. In terms of economic value, this is the third-largest regional agreement, after only the EU and NAFTA, the North American Free-Trade Agreement. ASEAN has similar agreements with Australia and New Zealand. The dream of an Asia-wide free-trade area with ASEAN at the core is, in some quarters, alive and well.

The Chinese press is epiphanic about the “glad tidings” of the deal, which brings easier access to South-East Asia’s raw materials and the promise of crunchy new markets for manufactured goods to replace soggy ones in the United States and Europe. As for ASEAN, the deal sends the “strong signal” that South-East Asia is open for business, says one of its senior apparatchiks.

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harisuck @ January 9, 2010 03:26PM HKT
Hari

Stop your jealousy and hatre of China and its people. Your post is full of bias and assumptions. The reality is that China is the world's fastest growing economy and everyone is trying to develop a closer relationship with China. Tell me, what is India's #1 trading partner? How about it 5 years? China's is the #1 trading partner of many nations out there. Are you saying that all these countries, including India, made up their numbers? Its ok to be bias as all journalist do. However, please have some reason and integrity. You are going way out of bound and become joker yourself when you trying to denegrade a country.


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Louis @ January 9, 2010 03:18PM HKT
Fear of the dragon
Jan 7th 2010
From The Economist print edition
China’s share of world markets increased during the recession. It will keep rising

Jan 8, 2010
India a 'slow moving elephant'
NEW DELHI - PRIME Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday likened India to a 'slow moving elephant' whose sheer size, population and diversity affects its ability to implement key policy decisions.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:56PM HKT
this is great article on Zhao Ziyang released today.....comment on it, louis coolheads....if you all have the guts...

ht tp://ww w.themalaysianinsider.co m/index.php/world/49001-zhao-blamed-jiang-for-graft-in-china

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:55PM HKT
louis, all of the states you mentioned participate in local election, state and national election.......

if they hate india they will not line up waiting to vote, they will simply boycott it alltogether....

communist in china will never understand this....



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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:33PM HKT
Be Democratic, release them.

Seven Sisters don’t want to be “Indian”: Assam, Nagaland, Tripura, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram and “Arunachal Pradesh” (South Tibet)

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sara @ January 9, 2010 01:32PM HKT
To louis :

u said india want to relase kashmiris as they are protesting against indian kashmir "HIGH LEVEL OF STUPIDITY FROM UR SIDE ARE U TALKING ABOUT THIS THEN Y DONT U ASK CHINA TO RELEASE TIBET AND XINANJIANG PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO PROTESTING AGAINST CHINA OCCUPATION" do u know on thing Chief-minister omar-abdullah was the close friend of Rahul-gandhi His father Farroq-abdullah was central minster for Renewable energy source And in the last election they got 60% votes from the kashmir people in support to india .SO IF CHINESE HAVE BALLS Y CANT THEY CONDUCT A ELECTION PROCESS IN TIBET OT XIANJIANG .
By this question u have asked about kashmir i think its waste talking to u

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 11:49AM HKT
while i worked for construction of an oil field central processing plant in sudan few years ago, one of the packages was awarded to chinese company under CNOOCC, some packages awarded to malaysian companies, some to indian - british JV, Punj Lloyd...apart from other western and turkish companies there...

we noticed the working condition of chinese workers are worst than the rest of us...longer hours, very cheap pay, even the indian labourers earning more than triple the amount of chinese....chinese basic salary for overseas job usd185 per month....chinese workers put in 3 fellow extra for each task compare to others...so while 2 guys working, 3 guys watching...

the only thing good for them is the good pork food in the camp and cigarette free on the company....

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 11:41AM HKT
i do know limited words of mandarin, hokkien, cantonese and arabic as i mix with them....nothing wrong with having ability to learn some words....

sorry about things getting out of control, hari.... just cant help it when the chinkies talk nonsense all time....

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slope @ January 9, 2010 10:15AM HKT
the chinese stimulus package of over half a billion has already landed some 40+ billion in the pockets of corrupt officials. the recent audit showed this as missing amount. but don't worry, corruption is not the chinese way (your new masters). the experts predict that most of this money thru loans will also turn out to be a bad loans. that is going to lead to a financial crash inevitably.

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slope @ January 9, 2010 10:07AM HKT
so cooliehead, you disapprove if guneskar practices his knowledge of chinese language here and you suggest that he should speak his colonial ruler's language instead. interesting ....... you are more than a tripple slave who practices english (your colonial rulers too) and reserves the rights for chinese to be spoken only by PAKI slaves. doesn't that make you apathetic race? you also claim the rights on camel regurgitation (arabic) only to be spoken by you PAKIs, while your ancestral language remains punjabi.

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 09:52AM HKT
spoop, some people have been predicting China's economic crash for more than a decade, but it never happened. So don't get too excited.

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slope @ January 9, 2010 08:06AM HKT
I request harisud not to close the cooments on this thread. since I ain't added ma comments for that luigi.
:-)
welcome back

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slope @ January 9, 2010 08:04AM HKT
for china's faithful luigi and cooliehead (harisuck). what you say is not what the biz world thinx about china. educate at the site below.
htt p://ww w.nytimes.co m/2010/01/08/business/global/08chanos.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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HariSud @ January 9, 2010 06:52AM HKT

It seems you guys are out of control.

The subject is China funnies. you guys are going wild on other subjects.

If discussion stays uncontrolled, I will request the editor to close the comments section.

Hari Sud

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 04:05AM HKT
Rubina's "Wise Choice"

December 31, 2009

Local officials backed by police razed 25 homes that they said were encroaching on railway land in the Garib Nagar slum — City of the Poor — where Rubina lived with her parents and siblings.

Rubina, whose home has been destroyed and rebuilt AT LEAST TWICE this year, told reporters that she and her family would now live with relatives in the same area, behind Mumbai’s Bandra railway station.

Drives to demolish illegal structures are common in Mumbai, where more than half the city’s population of about 18 million live in slums.

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 03:58AM HKT
Hari Sud:

1. You forget one more thing: China overtakes US as world's biggest car market in 2009. The Chinese car market is several times that of India, talking about India consumer market...

2. Speaking of "it is not their choice where they wish to live and work." How about India? Did the Slumdog Millionaire star Rubina Ali "choose" to be 'homeless again' after 50 shacks in Mumbai were cleared for a new railway???????? A similar demolition in May destroyed her last home and it is believed she will now live with relatives in the same area, behind Mumbai’s Bandra railway station.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 03:13AM HKT
Kashmirs want to join Pakistan: Occupied Kashmir: Kashmiris protesting Indian occupation

Be Democratic, release them.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:48AM HKT
Insurrection India:India cracks map of insurgency: Naxalites, Maoists, Seven Sisters, Kashmir, Punkjab, Tamil

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:48AM HKT
Seven Sisters don’t want to be “Indian”: Assam, Nagaland, Tripura, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram and “Arunachal Pradesh” (South Tibet)

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:43AM HKT
Indian minorities are so oppressed that uprisings are everywhere:
United Liberation Front of Asom
Assam conflict
National Liberation Front of Tripura
National Socialist Council of Nagaland
...

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:40AM HKT
gunasekar, speechless? Pretending to use some intelligent alien language other than that of your colonial ruler?

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:34AM HKT
see how India kills and slaughter minorities

To give a fair account of the feeling of non-“Indianness” of the tribal peoples, it is essential to understand that the phenomenon is more or less reciprocal with the rest of India being largely ignorant of the problems and privations of the peoples of NE India. One striking example of the psychological aloofness of the Indian people from this region is the massacre at Nellie in 1976. This incident in which over 3000 men, women and children were slaughtered in one go, could engage Indian media attention for barely two weeks.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:34AM HKT
chao chibai coolie............

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:32AM HKT
gunasekar, let me teach lesson 101 of Indian Subcontinent rulers' brutality:

Samudragupta brutally conquered 20 kingdoms in the Indian Subcontinent... His son Chandra Gupta II went to the Saka camp disguised as the queen and assassinated the Saka Chief. After this he even KILLED HIS OWN BROTHER, king Ram Gupta, married his brother's queen Dhruvadevi and ascended to the throne to rule from AD380 until 413.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:30AM HKT
India a 'slow moving elephant'
In a speech to a gathering of overseas Indians in New Delhi, Singh sought their 'active involvement' in speeding up economic growth and social development in Asia's fourth largest economy. -- PHOTO: AFP

NEW DELHI - PRIME Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday likened India to a 'slow moving elephant' whose sheer size, population and diversity affects its ability to implement key policy decisions.

In a speech to a gathering of overseas Indians in New Delhi, Singh sought their 'active involvement' in speeding up economic growth and social development in Asia's fourth largest economy.

'We are all legitimately proud of India's vibrant democracy. But I cannot say that we have delivered in full measure on the enormous promise and potential of our country,' Mr Singh said.

'It is probably true that we are a slow moving elephant but it is equally true that with each step forward, we leave behind a deep imprint. There is a price that we pay in trying to carry all sections of our people in national development.'

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:29AM HKT
chao ni niang , louis

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:29AM HKT
'India' BY JIM ROGERS
Power shortages are an even bigger problem. Brown-outs and black-outs plague the country, creating havoc in the tech-centers. At the beginning of this year, power went down for as much as 16 hours in six states and the capital city of New Delhi.

Yet roughly 50 percent of its own population is illiterate. It's a country recognized by global leaders as a high-tech superpower. Still, I often couldn't make a local phone call. There's a lot of talk among those in power in India about how the Internet super-highway will speed them to prosperity.

The road and rail system that the British put in over a century ago is falling apart. Nearly everywhere we went we had trouble finding continuous running water. Getting on the Internet was often nearly impossible.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:27AM HKT
"Yes, India is changing and growing. There will certainly be more opportunities and excitement of every kind as the middle class continues to develop. India will be fascinating over the next couple of decades, but be careful of the longer term. India really is not a rational country. The English mushed India together in the panic of independence in 1947, but little heed was given to ethnic, religious, linguistic, historic, national, or geographic considerations which is one reason India has had problems with every one of its neighbors since. India as we know it will not survive another 30 or 40 years. This of course does not have to end in disaster, but it probably will given the chauvinism of its government and the way history has always worked."

'India' BY JIM ROGERS

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:25AM HKT
tiu lei, louis

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:24AM HKT

pls don't keep on repeat your tamil dirty words

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:19AM HKT
go ahead, lousy louis cina kui,

tiu nia seng

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:18AM HKT
because you never grasp it. I will do it until you grasp it......

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:16AM HKT
google the jhansi rani, rajputs, maharaj shivaji.......nobody stopped fighting u fool..............british never in control af all at all time........

by the way, louis, dont keep on posting the same........

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:14AM HKT
only president kalam allowed......... because he is open minded , vegitarian, read bhagavad gita, nice man.............

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:14AM HKT
Japanese slaughtered Chinese, but Chinese never stopped fighting to the end. The Indians simply quit fighting and accepted the conquest. That's the difference. Hahahahahaha.....

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:13AM HKT
all of china s kings not famous.....except for brutality....

learn from our sidharta buddha, samrat ahoka, krishna, thirukurral, guru nanak, mahatma gandhi .......................

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:12AM HKT
Why was there never a Muslim Prime Minister in India???????? because Hindus will never let it happen......

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 02:10AM HKT


"Yes, India is changing and growing. There will certainly be more opportunities and excitement of every kind as the middle class continues to develop. India will be fascinating over the next couple of decades, but be careful of the longer term. India really is not a rational country. The English mushed India together in the panic of independence in 1947, but little heed was given to ethnic, religious, linguistic, historic, national, or geographic considerations which is one reason India has had problems with every one of its neighbors since. India as we know it will not survive another 30 or 40 years. This of course does not have to end in disaster, but it probably will given the chauvinism of its government and the way history has always worked."

'India' BY JIM ROGERS

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:08AM HKT
great, the british and japanese slaughtered chinese in nanking in the 20th century....forgotton ehh???

got nice opium eh your grandpa, coolie???

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 02:06AM HKT
hahahahahha....

why then put the Zhuang people (16 million) or the Manchu (10 million) as president..........dont have trust on them????

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 02:01AM HKT
China cannot compare to India. India even let people from outside, namely Britain, to rule itself. Oh, actually when the Brits came, there were no one single "India", just many small kingdoms on the subcontinent. Thanks to the British ruler, they lumped together all those small countries into a unified India, achieving something that the Indians of different ethnic groups could not achieve by themselves.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:56AM HKT

you know logic???

Can-or-not and why-not-happen has no necessity connection.

it is not having for having sake.

Your IQ able to grasp this???

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 01:56AM HKT
There are 19.2 million Sikhs in India, but there are only 5.4 million Tibetans in China. Therefore it is going to take much longer before a Tibetan becomes the President of China.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 01:49AM HKT
why never happened????????? because hans will never let it happen......all are hans....

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:48AM HKT
why not???

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 01:46AM HKT
the so called sikh minority is PM, can a non Han tibetan guy become president of China communist???

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:45AM HKT
"Yes, India is changing and growing. There will certainly be more opportunities and excitement of every kind as the middle class continues to develop. India will be fascinating over the next couple of decades, but be careful of the longer term. India really is not a rational country. The English mushed India together in the panic of independence in 1947, but little heed was given to ethnic, religious, linguistic, historic, national, or geographic considerations which is one reason India has had problems with every one of its neighbors since. India as we know it will not survive another 30 or 40 years. This of course does not have to end in disaster, but it probably will given the chauvinism of its government and the way history has always worked."

'India' BY JIM ROGERS

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:33AM HKT
NEW DELHI - PRIME Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday likened India to a 'slow moving elephant' whose sheer size, population and diversity affects its ability to implement key policy decisions.

In a speech to a gathering of overseas Indians in New Delhi, Singh sought their 'active involvement' in speeding up economic growth and social development in Asia's fourth largest economy.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 01:30AM HKT
Manmohan Singh 'I think the respect for fundamental human rights, the respect for the rule of law, respect for multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious rights, I think those have values. So, even the Indian perforce with regard to the GDP might not be as good as the Chinese, certainly I would not like to choose the Chinese path," he said in unusually blunt remarks that constituted a criticism of the Chinese model.

Singh’s candid public statements on China, Pakistan (no purposeful talks till it abjures terrorism and acts on 26/11), and Afghanistan (insisting India will stay the course against Taliban and asking US and international community to do the same militarily) set the stage for his meeting with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday following a ceremonial state welcome on the South Lawns of the White House.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:17AM HKT

Ya, a talking big job.

You bow a lot ya...caste right??

Don't be fool, he is just a average idiot like you.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 01:13AM HKT
Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 01:12AM HKT

Hari Sud doesn't know what he is talking about?

Contradicting to fact!

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:57AM HKT
h ttp://factsanddetails.co m/china.php?itemid=146&catid=11&subcatid=73

pity the tigers n others extinct due to chini......pets not save in china

Hunan dishes include spicy frogs' legs, tripe and sea cucumbers. People from Sichuan eat duck intestines, pig brains, frog's thighs, green bean seeds and rabbit ears. In Qinghai you can find sheep vein, yak vein, caterpillar fungus, a seaweed-like black moss known as "hair grass," and stir-fried camel's foot.

Dog, known as "fragrant meat," has long been a popular food in northeast and southern China...

Most of the cats eaten in Guangdong are shipped in from the north. So many have been caught it is now rare to see strays wandering the street anywhere in China. One single group of catchers is said to be responsible for capturing 10,000 cats a day, The cat snatchers are typically former unemployed men who use large fishing nets and earn $1.50 per cat. Not surprisingly cat owners in places where the catchers are active don’t want to let their pets outside the house.

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 12:55AM HKT
"To garner sympathy it branded itself a developing country in the same class as India, Brazil and South Africa."

Hari Sud:

So in your mind, China is really not a developing country and is a lot more developed than India?
You sound as if India would allow international monitoring of their carbon dioxide emissions data. You are always full of jokes, joker.

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 12:51AM HKT
gunasekar, the Russians just want to sell to India no matter they have money or not. Do I need to give my personal info to you?

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:38AM HKT
Why nationality???

The main topic here is just China and India.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:36AM HKT
have u finished you dinner, coolhead??? is it frog soup or mix dog-cat sweet sour??

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:34AM HKT
so coolhead.........why dont u be brave and reveal your identity first....dont be a sissy or pussy..........

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:34AM HKT
interesting for a country that design and launch its own rockets....and Russians no money??...come on idiots.....

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 12:32AM HKT
Speaking of J-10's engine, remember that HAL Tejas also has foreign engine and even so, HAL Tejas is still half-unbaked, nothing compared to J-10.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:32AM HKT
hmm......who repaired the particle accelerator.... INDIAN scientist ....sorry chinese not invited to take part on the experiments just like the ISS - no communist on ISS..............

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:29AM HKT
nehru did not kill 30 million people....record for Mao dong...

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 12:28AM HKT
Just another way of buying Russian weapons, because India can only buy (not even able to "copy"/absorb) Russian technologies.

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Coolhead @ January 9, 2010 12:26AM HKT
"BrahMos is ... a joint venture between India's ... and Russia's ..."
Obviously, the Russians supplied the technology and the Indians supplied the money, because India could never have developed such technology on their OWN.

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:25AM HKT

Nehru is much fooler than Mao.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:23AM HKT
not billions during nehrus time....millions....same as mao....mao and nehru same generation..........

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:21AM HKT

No deny on that.

but billions of Indians will screw Nehru for not lifting out Indian from poverty..

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:20AM HKT
30 million dead chinese ..... killing them for famine....and failed great leap forward,.....even u will admit this....how many of your relatives died back then????



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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:16AM HKT

I think more likely Mao, Deng, Hu together with billions of Indians will ..... Nehru for not lifting out Indian from poverty..

It's a shame to Asia...

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:11AM HKT
i never say china is not making money..... i am just scrutinizing the way they are making it while claiming that they are a communist.... Mao is unhappy and rolling in his coffin....

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:05AM HKT
and it is just for present business tie.

In future, when China grow to on a par with USA, what do you think???

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Louis @ January 9, 2010 12:03AM HKT
you just said it: even the socialist communist making money in free market economy

it seems you know it already, so would they against China since there is strong business tie?

You are really idiot you know that.

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gunasekar @ January 9, 2010 12:01AM HKT
hmm............always talk about past not present.........the cold war is over....no more soviets, no more eastern block.....

no more iron curtain...........even the socialist communist making money in free market economy which makes Mao turning on his grave every minute.........communist betrayed his legacy....

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:58PM HKT

remember when Indian bullied China in 1962...

Where were them all??

USA even more hated China that time due to defeated in Korean war, did you see them even move their fingers?? Idiot.


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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:58PM HKT
i am sure deep down u realise chinese dont have any military friends except pakis.....u wont admit here though

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:56PM HKT
you miss this

ha.....

ya go and drop...

obviously you are a military blind too..

no strategy...with Dutch courage...ha...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:55PM HKT
u have to remember.... japan, taiwan, us, russia, israel, singapore, france, uk, are not enemies of India.....

china does not have any friends with these countries... the day china becomes hostile, they will not have any strong friends for support....

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:55PM HKT

I knew that, but I think you don't know the latest.

How about LCA since 1982...can fly now...Indian army want it...??

Same to Arjun, can it cross bridges in India now??? Army dare to receive them???

And Agni 2...ha...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:52PM HKT
The J-10 was originally planed to be powered by an indigenous WP-15 turbojet engine, but the engine development plan was cancelled. Instead the J-10 was fitted with a Russian Salyut AL-31F turbofan engine rated at 76.2kN....

hmm afraid of using chinese engines..... afraid it will fall off sky....hahahaha

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:51PM HKT

ha.....

ya go and drop...

obviously you are a military blind too..

no strategy...with Dutch courage...ha...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:50PM HKT
the brahmos is developed to drop on chinese and pakis heads.....

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:45PM HKT

I knew that.
You know where it should be used???

Check it up, ...
You really a proven living and jumping Indian...

You will be beaten upside down again cry mama if you just go out like that... ha...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:43PM HKT
hmm..........US still have sub sonic tomahawks, US selling more patriot missiles to taiwan..... and it do fears the 7 times faster missiles in the russian and indian army....china is out of the question....

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:40PM HKT
BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land. It is a joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed the BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited.

The acronym BrahMos is perceived as the confluence of the two nations represented by two rivers, the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia. It travels at speeds of Mach 2.5 to 2.8 and is the world's fastest cruise missile. It is about three-and-a-half times faster than the U.S.A's subsonic Harpoon[2] cruise missile. A hypersonic version of the missile is also presently under development (Lab Tested with 5.26 Mach Speed).[3]

BrahMos II is a hypersonic cruise missile that has been lab tested with a speed of 5.26 Mach making it the fastest cruise missile in the world.[32] BrahMos II is expected to be ready by 2013-14[33] and will arm the Project 15B destroyers of the Indian Navy.

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:38PM HKT

Ya, because India now has great homemade
1, Arjun
2, LCA
3, Agni 2

ha...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:35PM HKT
i am 100% sure that china cowards will use pakis to fight the indian army....chinese are cowards to fight one to one in 2010 and beyond....

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:26PM HKT

You mean those war prisoners released by China in 1962 still running there???

I think they are just paying pilgrimage to say big thank you to China that they can still see their wives.You just go and see, I think is about 3000. Just count them by the way...

No alarm India, don't jerk around like monkey...

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:24PM HKT
NEW DELHI: The Army is now revising its five-year-old doctrine to effectively meet the challenges of a possible `two-front war' with China and Pakistan, deal with asymmetric and fourth-generation warfare, enhance strategic reach and joint operations with IAF and Navy.

the Army `optimise' its capability to effectively counter `both military and non-military facets' of asymmetric and sub-conventional threats like WMD terrorism, cyber warfare, electronic warfare and information warfare.

Three, the armed forces have to substantially enhance their strategic reach and out-of-area capabilities to protect India's geo-political interests stretching from Persian Gulf to Malacca Strait.

"This would enable us to protect our island territories; as also give assistance to the littoral states in the Indian Ocean Region," said Gen Kapoor.

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:19PM HKT
Brahmos aimed at chinese PLA at every corner, ask your PLA to keep fit to run for cover.....


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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:17PM HKT


Indian movies all like jumping monkey in an ideal dream.

Naively begins with idealistic ending, as always.

Life is complex; war is complex; strategy is complex, Indian never know that, it thinks all is as simple as in its movies...poor little things

I love Peking duck...just had it last night.

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:12PM HKT
what did u have for supper , louis????

is it peking duck or peking dog???

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:12PM HKT
well, u missed the good social movies of indian cinema in between which is far better than any chinese movie....watch the current movies louis, boy...

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 11:07PM HKT

I agree that China soft power is far far....behind USA.
They know that very well.

But talking of Chinese movie, I think those Indian ones, one second jumping in the garden, next second, dancing at the seaside seems......ha.....in a dreamland...

That's why Indian can't differetiate what is real and what is daydream. pity...


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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 11:02PM HKT
U.S. prevails in WTO case against China

The World Trade Organization released a report Wednesday that in key points agreed with a U.S. complaint that China is forcing U.S. companies to sell copyright-protected products, such as films, music and books, through state-run or -approved businesses.

Chinese restrictions on the sale of such U.S. products violate global commerce rules, the WTO report said.

As key wins, he cited the WTO's decisions

-- to strike down China's film import monopoly and the barriers that keep U.S. firms from importing and distributing DVDs in China

"The Chinese system for distributing U.S. films to Chinese audiences is among the most restrictive and burdensome in the world," Glickman summarized. "This decision, coupled with the recent announcement from the State Council that the Chinese government intends to lower market access thresholds for the cultural industry, may be an opening we have been seeking."

He also argued that the ruling will complement the industry's fight against piracy in China.

U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk also lauded the WTO ruling as "a significant victory" for the U.S. creative industries and a key step toward more open trade between the U.S. and China.

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gunasekar @ January 8, 2010 10:58PM HKT
chinese culture is bland, tasteless............. nobody can do a movie out of it, all they have is jackie chan and jet li making kunfu mee movies..........

at least the americans can do movies based on marvel comics, or great scriptwriters.... not to mention people like m. night shyamalan (indian).....

chinese dont have the soft power.....they are scared of hollywood movies.... restrict movies to 20 per year.....

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Louis @ January 8, 2010 09:15PM HKT

All can see that HariSud is very jealous of China...ha....

Good sign, it means China really growing substantially, and now already world largest export country.

Well done China for drawing lots of jealousy...:-)

No body jealous of India that make India jeolous...:-)








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